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Moraghan Training - Stevie G

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    PeteMPeteM ✭✭✭
    New Year, same crazy volumes SG and especially Jools. Don't know how you guys do it with only singles too. I'm finding it hard to get much running in as down to 3 max 4 runs a week due to cycling the other days (and will soon have to designate some days to walks too). Did run just over 10 miles today from home to The Look Out Bracknell and back through Swinley Forest. Was quite nice and way less muddy than pre Xmas. 

    Was the fast lady Naomi Mitchell Reg? She has done Woodley parkrun a few times and also runs in Swinley quite a bit I think. Pretty sure she is from your way though. She was 2nd Brit lady in the elites' marathon last year too. 
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    Stevie  GStevie G ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2021
    It's not ideal for sure Pete.
    A lot of the relentless nature of the week in week out decent mileage, is mentally breaking the days, distances, sessions and routes up.

    However, you have to be grateful they haven't binned exercise off like some countries did. Imagine that!
    I was already firmly in the "savour every moment" of racing gang before all this - so I'm gonna be out of control in that sentiment after this :D 
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    Cheers Reg.
    I’ve seen Natasha Cockram racing quite a few times as she’s fairly local to me & competes in the same XC league. Saw her racing Newport marathon a couple of times too.
    I’m not cycling Pete. Are you wfh?
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    Hope all goes ok, Bus. (If you puke you start again 😆)

    You seem to be doing a few more road rather than trail runs, Jools. By design? Or a result of where you now live? Do you miss the trails?

    SG - couldn’t agree more about being grateful we haven’t been genuinely confined to our homes. That would be so hard over a period of time. Impressive progression on those mile times, BTW.

    Was a flipbelt the secret to the WR, Joe? Hope the glute is ok. Getting on a hockey ball every day helps mine. 


    A second consecutive 50+M week. Foundations slowly being laid. 

    Friday was the second session of the week. The plan called for 8 x 600. Track is unfortunately out (which seems a bit harsh for solo users, but I guess allowing one means allowing many, etc...), so it was easier to do 6 x 800 on a path near home. Sure the running gods will forgive. About 6 m/m, with quite lengthy recoveries - about 3 min jogs to get back to the beginning of the loop. 

    Recovery yesterday at 8:50 pace, then buggy ‘long’ this morning. 12M at 7:30 average for a steady effort.

    Whilst the sharp stuff is proving slow to return, the pace/effort for a long buggy run is definitely a good marker. 

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    Good progress SQ.
    It’s a combination of new location & running in the dark. I do miss the fire trails but it’s at least 15 minutes drive each way & tbh they’re covered in ice still from last weekend’s snow. I’m quite enjoying finding new routes, quiet lanes & fresh hills too. Once things dry up I’ve May Hill on my doorstep but at the moment that’s an ice rink crossed with a muddy swamp 😆
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    I have to respectfully disagree, you should never be grateful for being 'allowed' to exercise! 

    Yes Pete, that's her. She's sneaked ahead of me on a couple of local segments, don't think I can let that stand, need to get into shape!


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    Stevie G said:
    The level of runner who probably has a legit 15sec diffo between her HM and M paces rather than the theoretical one I work to :)

    15 for me - although i'd set out for a 13.

    Ha a route in mind and wanted to revisit that "dunking" bit on the Thames now the water has gone and see how that drop looks normally and how close it is to the actual river.

    Followed the simple looking straight up route until...it seemed to turn right and come down - which I didn't want after a trudge up. Then took another turn and before you know it I didn't have a clue where I was and emerged by the Crooked Billet with 12miles on the clock  - and miles away.
    Eventually seeing a 15 home for 7.29 pace all in with 4x8+ min miling in there.

    64mile week in the end meaning that 4 yesterday wasn't needed for the 60 - but never hurts.
    I do think you need something more than a route in mind. If you are running from Little Marlow and want to end up at the top of Abbey Barn near Hard to find Farm (the clue is in the name) then you definitely need one of
    • GPS trace
    • map
    • local knowledge
    The woods around there are riddled with paths and tracks as they host shooting parties, horse riding and 4x4 experiences and yet there are only 3 footpaths. You seem to have taken the field boundary path (which does go down a bit but then back up and there is a gate later on) and then another track to get to the crooked billet. Don't know why when your plan was to head north why you would wan to take a path to the right that was heading east. 


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    Reg Wand said:
    I have to respectfully disagree, you should never be grateful for being 'allowed' to exercise! 

    All this exercise stuff is there for the ignorant masses and doesn't really apply to those who really exercise. The real rule should be "try to stay indoors within your bubble and when you go outside try to minimise contact with others".

    Yesterday I was out running in the Chilterns just as it got light (8am ish) and had 90 minutes out in the countryside without seeing anybody else until I got back to where I'd parked my car near the Bull & Butcher in Turville. What was an empty village green when I parked at 8 was now filling up with estate cars full of people and dogs, all greeting each other and making large groups out "exercising". 

    The rules make nobody happy. The people who regularly exercise on their own or have to walk a dog twice a day are not a virus spreading risk (so SG could do single, double or treble runs and still pose zero risk) and there are others who pose such a risk and pretend to stay within the guidelines. You cannot police common sense and so have to write guidelines.
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    Stevie  GStevie G ✭✭✭✭
    It didn't look the straight line I was expecting for some reason Phil :)

    I expect the easiest way to resolve is to one day start from that footpath at the top of Winchbottom and work my way down that way.

    It's amazing how many actual options to get from down Little Marlow level to Flackwell there are.

    Winchbottom/Sheepridge/Blind Lane/Chapman Lane the 4 main roads. 
    With Sheepridge itself having about 5 or 6 variants with footpath options both sides.
    2 different footpath routes that then connect - between Winchbottom and Fern Lane/Sheepridge (the latter through the farm shop way i went yesterday).
    Pump Lane that connects with Winchbottom too.

    What I was trying to avoid yesterday was having gone past the farm shop and hit the peak elevation - there was seemingly not the gate in the same direction I was expecting. Only a gate a bit earlier on the left hand side - or following the path to the right - that then looked to dip right back down again.

    Needs more exploring I dare say!


    9 miler today. Trudging up the steepest route into New Road type area and tiptoing down the woods in road shoes at the end the notable bits.
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    PeteMPeteM ✭✭✭
    Philip; I don't agree. True you can't police common sense, but that means you have to have rules backed by law not guidelines. I agree with your sentiment (but not tone!) that many people still use "exercise" as their get out for meet ups, but that is their life and it is still a form of exercise, albeit a very high risk one in the current environment. If the rules were tougher most would still follow them and take their exercise, but just in a safer way.

    This so called lockdown is nothing of the sort. Think back to the strict April lockdown that worked. Then there were no household bubbles, no meeting anyone indoors or outdoors, nearly all shops shut, garden centres closed, outdoor spaces shutting all their car-parks, places of worship shut, nursery schools shut, no tradesmen, cleaners etc, in other people's homes unless essential for safety reasons. The list could go on. You could also get a lot stricter than that even, so for the govt to say the restrictions are already tough makes me despair.

    Now there is some talk of only being allowed to exercise once a week; if that comes in it would be totally unenforceable and utterly ridiculous. A real sledgehammer to crack a nut whilst all the real causes of continuing high infection rates are ignored.  


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    Pete, that once a week exercise is just scaremongering because they're worried about the level of adherence. You say the first lockdown worked, well it didn't. Lockdown came in 23rd March, deaths peaked about 7th April, that's only two weeks later. The journey from infection to death is about three weeks or more. Covid-19 followed a classic Gompertz curve. You're right that this is not comparable to the first one though and is obviously even more futile.
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    Stevie  GStevie G ✭✭✭✭
    Exercise once a week would be a real killer blow.
    But I can't see that happening unless they bring in all the April lockdown stuff you mention above Pete - plus more on top.
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    Would be interesting to know who'd actually adhere to such a law, I would definitely ignore it.
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    PeteMPeteM ✭✭✭
    Not sure your logic fully stacks up Reg; just because 1st wave deaths peaked 2 weeks later doesn't mean the lockdown failed. Pre the official lockdown there were already a lot of people behaving differently and a lot less social interaction than usual and that is probably causal in why deaths peaked only 2 weeks later. Without the lockdown deaths would probably have continued to rise way past the 7 April figure and been at current levels or higher for a lot longer. Without getting into Gompertz curves, it is surely indisputable that if you have a tough lockdown you will get a lot less spreading of a highly infectious disease.
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    Stevie  GStevie G ✭✭✭✭
    Yes it seems hard to argue the first lockdown didn't bring the numbers down.

    Like Pete says, the problem with this latest "lockdown" is that it seems nowhere near the same level of restrictions. Which when you add in people's negative response after that gnome advisor's little road trip and "testing" his eyesight with a 30min trip to a beauty spot, weighed up with everyone jumping the gun on there now being a vaccine end in sight, it's all ballooned into a right old mess this time around.

    Still...it was a nice run this morning :)
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    Stevie G said:
    Still...it was a nice run this morning :)
    What run? Not on Strava, didn't happen.
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    Reg WandReg Wand ✭✭✭
    edited January 2021
    Pete, that strikes me as slightly wooly thinking, suggesting that some reduced interaction moved the needle. If that was the case you'd see a step change from your supposed reduced interaction effect and then the complete lockdown effect which happened on a single day nationwide. You don't see that, it's a gradual curve consistent with Gompertz and no doubt assisted by the change in weather as we moved into spring. I suspect had the virus hit these shores two months earlier in mid-winter, the deaths would have been materially higher and right now we'd be seeing fewer casualties. 

    As you say, you would expect reduced interaction to have an effect but it doesn't seem to achieve much when you look at the data. For a lockdown to work I imagine it would have to be so severe that the so called cure is worse than the disease.

    Anyway call me cold-hearted but liberty for all is more important than the lives of a few.
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    The BusThe Bus ✭✭✭
     
    No idea what worked and didn't work, or what we should be doing now, but I do no one thing - cycling  was much better in the first lockdown :wink:
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    The Vaccine has probably relaxed people too much tbh. The one exercise per week will never happen, an 8pm curfew is more likely (but still unlikely). I'll still go out twice a day for a run or session even if it's supposed to be one a day, as I know I won't be posing a threat to anyone else.

    Ran to the local park with the kid Saturday, his longest run ever at 5m, then did a 1-2-3-4-5-4-3-2-1 minute session back off 60 secs.

    Was planning a slower Sunday run over the lumpy 17 miler I do quite a lot, perhaps 7.15's..but felt good and ended up doing it in 1.50 odd, 6.36's. These NB Propel V2 are great - the upper isn't amazing, but the Fuel Cell in the sole is the best I've ran in, awesome. Their Fuelcell RC & TC have very good reviews.

    Felt it today, struggled to an early 5m trot.

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    Can't wait for the once a week exercise rule to come in place, just so I can completely ignore it. Utterly ridiculous. 

    Mainly been on the bike,  but got out for a 40 minute run on Sunday - glute feels a lot better, but still a bit of pain.

    The real pain was being called a 'jogger'. Also, surely I should get some sort of payment for this?!  :D 

    https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/11/coronavirus-uk-five-ways-the-lockdown-could-be-made-even-stricter-13881617/?fbclid=IwAR3wPrUDHiZwWbdXjAxe2Q9_4X5qqB5UVvzLcVS1F4sSN9zv1ClEtVA2WQk
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    Stevie  GStevie G ✭✭✭✭
    You're unmistakable Joe. Even in that mask and coat ;)
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    Joe Blogs-BRJoe Blogs-BR ✭✭✭
    edited January 2021
    This won't make sense any more - my agent has been on the blower and had it changed. To avoid others getting confused, the caption initially said;

    'A man jogging..'
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    Stevie  GStevie G ✭✭✭✭
    "The third most handsome man on the SG thread, sporting unfeasibly stacked thighs was out monstering a session"
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    TRTR ✭✭✭
    Nice jogging Joe !

    Re exercise being stopped, i see folks using exercise as an excuse to socialise.....i ran along Southsea when it was too icey to go run the lanes over Christmas, and there were hoards of people gathering at the take away cafes........ i can see solo exercising only beimg made the rule, fine by me. Everyone has a tale of "we only did x or y"," only saw x or y". Pisses me off as i didnt go out the house when i had to isolate.
    Getting the people who dont obey the current rules to behave is more important than making the rules tighter that only those playing the moral game will obey.

    If everyone grew a moral pair of bllx and stopped viewing restrictions as ruining their social life then we might all get to the end of this sooner.

    Im still not 100%, but getting there. My wife is still getting out of breath doing every day tasks.
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    TR said:
    Nice jogging Joe !

    Re exercise being stopped, i see folks using exercise as an excuse to socialise.....i ran along Southsea when it was too icey to go run the lanes over Christmas, and there were hoards of people gathering at the take away cafes........ i can see solo exercising only beimg made the rule, fine by me. Everyone has a tale of "we only did x or y"," only saw x or y". Pisses me off as i didnt go out the house when i had to isolate.
    Getting the people who dont obey the current rules to behave is more important than making the rules tighter that only those playing the moral game will obey.

    If everyone grew a moral pair of bllx and stopped viewing restrictions as ruining their social life then we might all get to the end of this sooner.

    Im still not 100%, but getting there. My wife is still getting out of breath doing every day tasks.
    Actually the quicker it spreads the quicker it’s over. If I was a vulnerable person that had decided to isolate, I’d want all the young and healthy people mixing as much as possible to build herd immunity.
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    TRTR ✭✭✭
    Thats the alternative method of vaccination, let it burn through at pace. At current pace of 50,000 plus folks a day, and vaccinations it wont take long for most folks to have had the jab or had the virus.
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    An attitude of gratitude is how I roll these days, Reg 🧘🏼‍♂️, but I take your point. Also that of PMJ - it really is about how you do what you do. I took some stick for running a marathon last April - but left at 5am and ran through the country. Saw two cyclists and one pedestrian. Others smash up and down the main footpath in Cheltenham every lunchtime, but fit it into an hour...

    It’s takeaway coffee open on every corner I don’t really get. Maybe that’s the tight git in me always keen to brew my own, but it definitely creates congregation in popular leisure spots.


    Easy buggy recovery 3M. Felt increasingly hard during the second half. Slowly realised it had a slow puncture. 

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    The BusThe Bus ✭✭✭
    edited January 2021
    Loving that phrase "attitude of gratitude" SQ!

    The problem is that too many of the great British public keep on proving they are thick as shit, and selfish as fuck so the lowest common denominator, constant bombardment of blindingly obvious messages and a total annihilation of any freedom to exhibit anything resembling common sense become what passes for a strategy by the politicians...

    Hey ho, did my own daily exercise (FFS!!!!!) was 47 minutes in my garage on the turbo trainer watching a YouTube video of an Italian Alps ride and adjusting the resistance depending on what the video said the incline was!  I have to say, despite the total absence of any real smart tech, it was actually surprisingly engaging and fun -  especially the part where I became seriously invested in chasing down a motorbike with a very loud heavy metal soundtrack!!!  I'm sure the pint of freshly poured Malt Voyager IPA sipped whenever the gradient hit 0% helped :smile:

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    Yeah Joe - Cyclists legs there. Chris Hoy jobs!
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    Good on you Bus
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