Keyworth Turkey Trot Half-Marathon

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  • Hi Ice Queen. It's just as much your thread as anyone else's, welcome!
  • Welcome IceQueen. It's back to yours after the race for drinks then!!!

    As there are a fair few of us 'trotting', anyone fancy getting together for a festive drink afterwards?

    <who says alcohol is all I think of?>
  • Thanks GF.

    Yep flanker, that sounds like a good idea - will need a drink after all that trotting!
  • GF
    I would like to run TT as a training run however....my competative streak (although very small) probably won't let me. For the first time there is a prize for first Keyworth lady and one of the other mums from school is running who I really want to beat!
    Pathetic I know but I'd rather not run than do a bad one!
  • Blimey, it sounds like your competitive streak is far from small. If you do start feeling better soon, just promise that you won't train yourself to death before the race. There's not time - you'll end up tired and injured (like me!).
  • There's no chance of me overdoing it as I know the dangers only too well - my husband has been suffering from post viral syndrome for the last 13 years! so if anything I err on the side of extreme caution
  • you cold always knobble the other mum in advance
  • Pardon me? Flanker, really!

    ;-)
  • welcome along icequeen hope you enjoy yourself on here and the tt.

    no probs gf for running the tt together,we,ll have a pleasant morning!!!!!!
    Sorry i cannot make the post run gargle of fine ales and spirits....ive got to drive back to lincs first and then up the line back to sunderland,but if someone was willing to donate a gallon of guinness then........

    kg-you could always try and keep up with gf and me!!!!!!!
  • I'm not sure keeping up will be too difficult for KG, but she'd be most welcome to join "Team 1:55" for the day!
  • Theres all you injured peopel talking about a gentle 1 hr 55. I would love to do 1hr 55 , it woudl prob kill me though - did RH in 2hr 2 - that was my first and it was flat so no hope of 1hr 55. You should all be really pleased that even when less than 100% you can 'trot' far faster than me when I push it
  • 2 hours 2 minutes is also a good time. You should be pleased with that. In fact, we all should be pleased that we're not couch potatoes spending every sunday watching that Eastenders double-bill omni thingy. Anyway, didn't we agree that you were an all-rounder, rather than just a runner? Swimming, gym, running.... as a result you have both your achilles ;-)
  • hey hellen, have the knees recovered yet? Not everyone here will be trotting at those jet-powered speeds. Anything sub 1:50 will be a PB for me, and that's assuming my ankle recovers. First run tonight since Seagrave, so will get a feel for how bad it is.

    GF, of course *I* would never, ever think of doing anything remotely like that!
  • Hellen
    I did 2hr 5 in the RH when it was my first and then 1hr 56 in the TT the December after. I think it helped that I know the course really well but the hills aren't that bad.
  • it all so helps if there someone there that you,ve got to beat so that you can hold your head high around town ,good luck on that one keyworth gal,
    we,ve all done it, it all so helps to get that pb
  • have started a new thread on Belvoir challenge.....know its a bit premature but...
  • Have printed off details for Belvoir but will decide in the new year
    how are you doing KG? What did you do between RH and TT to improve your time so much?
    FLanker - hows the annke? have you recovered from seagrave yet? My calves were hurtign until today. Have done a couple fo short runs (1mile) on treadmill since and knee still hurting.
    Am having dilemmas abotu what to do. Not sure if it is the trainers, if it is not sure what to try instead. could be that I have been doing a lot in the last couple of months since RH but would have expected the probs to start sooner.
    Then today was reading somethign on Glucosamine sulphate and remebered that I had been taking that (not quite every day but when I remembered) that ran out a week or so ago and I didnt replace it so maybe that was it? Woudl I really notice a differnce so soon? Have ordered some more jsut in case, it cant do any harm.
    Have been for a swim today and planning on going to body pump tonight so that will involve lots of sqauts and lunges, all good for quads and for running
  • Hi Hellen

    I used to suffer from knee pain some years ago. In my case the pain was in the outer part of the knee joint, and was fairly severe. It was recurring. Touch wood, I haven't had this for some time (last four years or so). This caused me to start thinking about what I'm doing differently now as opposed to then. I don't know whether any of this will apply to you, but here it is anyway:

    1. Shoes. I was told, by someone with letters after his name, that I pronated. He prescribed shoes which were like surgical boots. I don't think they helped a bit. I suddenly realised that the shoes I felt most comfortable in were racing flats! So now I use either some pretty flat trainers with minimal padding (asics D.S. trainers-I'm now on my third pair, and like them)or, for off road, walshes, which are the flattest shoe in the universe.

    2. Other exercise. I used to do a lot of yoga type stretching exercises. Sitting in the lotus position, that sort of nonsense. I think that has a very bad effect. I know that stretching is the flavour of the month, and I still do some, but I think the knee should not have lateral flexibility. Just my view, but since I stopped it, so the knee trouble stopped.

    I also stopped doing exercise which places high loads on the knee-like squats. Instead, I do more light, fast exercise. The bike (indoor or out)is perfect, so long as you keep the gears low and spin.

    3. You mention glucosamine. I use this. It takes time to build up (or lose) the effect of it.

    Lastly, I definitely would not try to run through knee pain. It just makes it worse, and, IMHO, more likely to become long term.

    Instead, try to analyse and eradicate the root cause of it. Experiment a bit.

    I don't know whether any of this will apply in your case-we're all different. But these were my experiences, over a long period of time (by which I mean 25 years) (oops-just shown me age!).

    Hope this helps. Dont try and run through it. Analyse and eradicate!

    John
  • The swelling has gone but the ankle's still sore, but only when not running. Once i get going it is alright, which I'm pretty sure is classic tendonitis symptoms. I'm guessing it was two problems: tendonitis plus a twist during the race. Done a couple of runs plus a pump & a body balance intro over the last few day and it doesn't seem to be making things any worse. Touch wood.

    Sorry the knees are still playing you up. Would it be worth going to a (different) specialist running shop and getting your gait/shoes re-assessed. There's always running fox in Lough though I've not been there in years. If you can put up with the journey there's also Derby Runner or Lorraine Baker in Cov which I've been impressed with recently. The lack of Glucosamine would take longer than that to have an impact. Hope you get them sorted - I used to suffer a lot with my knees but they seem far better these days despite far greater mileage. Getting the right shoes and cutting down on high impact training and sports made all the difference to me. Oh, and have you tried combining Chondroitin with Glucosamine - worked for me.

  • thanks jon and flanker
    I saw a specialist ages ago who diagnosed runners knee (but he gave me the posh name for it) have seen a podiatrist about 2 years ago and got insoles. My friend looked at them and said that they are for someone who overpornates slightly. I think that is porb accurate because I got blisters on the inside of my big toe.
    Have been to 2 running shops
    1. the running fox, they said I was neatral. I then went back there for my next trainers when they had the footscan and told me I overpronate.
    2. next I went to sweatshop in notts , there I went on 3 machines. Asics said neatral (on treadmill) so did nike and adidfas foot scan said overpronate.
    my friend said that often as yo get tierd you overpronate. So I think my prob on the longer runs is that I start overpronating and my trainers are for neatral runners. My previos trainers were for overpronators but were for severe overpronators (I didnt realise this though). My knees were OK in those but I had trouble with my hip flexor.
    My next plan is to try runnning in my curretn trainers but with my orthotics to see if that helps. IF not, I have some moderate overpronator shoes which I bought just before I was told I was neatral the second time. they have not been worn much and are the same size as my shoes which means that on a run of more than abotu an hour I get toe bruising. WIll prob try them and see what happens with the knees though. IF OK will buy a bigger size. Am reluctant to buy more trianers unless I knwo that they will be right.
    On teh stretching front. the podiatrist said my muscles were tight and I needed to stretch (that was a while back) so I am going back to more stretching.
    It is Glucos and Chron that I was taking before and that I have ordered more of. What dose do you take?
  • Given all the varying info & shoes you've had, that does sounds like a good place to start experimenting. Hope you get the right combination soon!

    Have you tried a proper sports massage to releive the tight muscles. Apparently this helps to relieve tight muscles better than stretching. Keep meaning to try it for my calves.

    I take 1500 mg Glucosamine & 400 mg of Chondroitin a day (when I remember!). I get mine from zipvit.co.uk and it is a fraction of the price of the high street shops.
  • yes, have had sports massage, can be very painful on my calves and quads. That is another factor that may have contributed cos I havnt had much massage recently although I did have one last week and knees hurt the next day. I have a catalogue for zipvit but usually get supplements from healtydirect.co.uk or vitalty as they do free postage on any size order.
    With regards to pre running the TT, will prob have to pass on it cos need to be careful on my knees. My plan for this weekend is to do a circuit fom home which is 3.4 miles and keep repeating it. As soon as my knees start to hurt I will stop which means that at any point in time I will have no more than 1.7miles to walk home. I think that it would be unwise to prerun TT even if I manage to run pain free this weekend as I dont want to overdo it.
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    Starting to plan my running programme for 2006. Would be interested in some suggestions for 1ok's 10 miles or 1/2 marathons that I have not already done which are scenic well organised and worth doing. Have already entered Brass Monkey.


    Have posted this on some other threads and received some great suggestions. Hoping you have some.
  • cd- you,ve missed one redcar half in march worth doing
  • hellen, don't worry about not pre-running the TT. Getting your knee up to the main race is far more important.

    I'm probably going to do the clowne half tomorrow (mainly as a training run) so probably wouldn't want to do another 13 miles before the event anyway. Tho still may do it later this week or next Saturday.
  • Hello christopher
    Ive got a couple of halfs for you to try:
    Blackpool june
    Mansfield july
    Leicester oct
    Great cumbrian carlisle oct

    Hope these help mate.

    Im away out for a 11/12 miles tomorrrow.
    Enjoy you weekend runs everyone.
  • Hello Christopher the Sheffield 1/2 in May is worth having a crack at.
  • MTM SB PG

    Many thanks for the suggestions. Will follow up.

    CD
  • Blimey CD, you don't half enter some races! I respect your enthusiasm!

    Looking at the number of races you've done, and your 2hr half time, have you thought about cutting your teeth on a full marathon yet? Scenic? Flat? Friendly? Nice weekend away? Have you looked at Lochaber (Fort William)? Only 400 runners, and the forum's already promising a friendly crowd.

    My first mara was supposed to be Loch Ness last October, but I broke my foot. It's now deferred until April 23rd, Lochaber. Same day as the FLM.

    Tempting? It was for me!
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