With the advice about schedules what are your thoughts on Jeff Galloways Novice marathon plan as the longest run on that is 26 miles about 4-5 weeks before the race? I was thinking if I used that schedule to change it to 20 miles.
Gaz- see you in Chester Did you do it last year? A great course with fab support and bottled iso drinks every few miles, as well as water of course. Grandstand start and finish. Only gripe is the hills at 24/25m, but overall flat and fast. Great tech long sleeve shirt too
08-Jan 5 Tarns VinterMaraton (Denmark) 22-Jan Gloucester 50k Gobi 29-Jan 05-Feb 10-Feb Quadzilla day 2 Gobi 12-Feb 19-Feb 25-Feb Belvoir Challenge Spoons 04-Mar Barry 40m Gobi 11-Mar 18-Mar Rome Cjay85 25-Mar 01-Apr Sussex Mathschick 01-Apr South Downs HopetoFinish 01-Apr Santiago Liam3494 08-Apr 15-Apr Brighton Holly Liz, AGF, VikW, Dan Ellingworth, Solent Runner, Claire C, Luca79, Pete the Plod 15-Apr Paris Roof gimp, Kaz 22-Apr London Jason D, Spoons, Fiona C, No Pain, Ratzer. Minni. HopetoFinish, Brizo, Pete Tizard, Muppley
29-Apr Manchester Rob Kilby. Em Scott, GazOC 29-Apr Milton Keynes Teknik 06-May North Dorset Tim Lebbon 13-May Halstead 19-May White Peak 20-May Windermere Rachael 20-May Copenhagen Mon,
20- May Cardiff Ultra Jason d 27-May Edinburgh Bodytalk, Mitiog, Jennie McC 03-Jun 10-Jun 17-Jun Poppyline Spoons 24-Jun 01-Jul Lakeland Trails Tim Lebbon 08-Jul 15-Jul Fairland Valley 50k Spoons 22-Jul 29-Jul 05-Aug 12-Aug 19-Aug 26-Aug 02-Sep Wolverhampton? SleepyCat 02-Sep High Peak Ultra 40m? Spoons 09-Sep Nottingham? Mathschick. Bacchus Marathon 16-Sep 23-Sep New Forest 30-Sep Loch Ness kaz 30-Sep Berlin ToffeeLiz 07-Oct Chester Compo, Jason D, GazOC 07-Oct Chicago Fiona C 14-Oct 21-Oct Abingdon AGF, HopetoFinish 27-Oct Snowdon Jason D 28-Oct 29-Oct Dublin No Pain
HY4 - for those longer long runs I start to think in time so would consider rather than doing 26.2 miles at MP + 75-120 seconds you just go for a jog at MP +75-120 seconds and stop at the point you reach your marathon target time so probably somewhere between 20 and 22 miles.
Gazelle- welcome I'll add you in if you tell us which version of P&D plan and your hoped for/ expected finish?
BUT, anyone else, please note it's a free for all copy and paste
08-Jan 5 Tarns VinterMaraton (Denmark) 22-Jan Gloucester 50k Gobi 29-Jan 05-Feb 10-Feb Quadzilla day 2 Gobi 12-Feb 19-Feb 25-Feb Belvoir Challenge Spoons 04-Mar Barry 40m Gobi 11-Mar 18-Mar Rome Cjay85 25-Mar 01-Apr Sussex Mathschick 01-Apr South Downs HopetoFinish 01-Apr Santiago Liam3494 08-Apr 15-Apr Brighton Holly Liz, AGF, VikW, Dan Ellingworth, Solent Runner, Claire C, Luca79, Pete the Plod 15-Apr Paris Roof gimp, Kaz 22-Apr London Jason D, Spoons, Fiona C, No Pain, Ratzer. Minni. HopetoFinish, Brizo, Pete Tizard, Muppley, Gazelle!! I wish
29-Apr Manchester Rob Kilby. Em Scott, GazOC 29-Apr Milton Keynes Teknik 06-May North Dorset Tim Lebbon 13-May Halstead 19-May White Peak 20-May Windermere Rachael 20-May Copenhagen Mon,
20- May Cardiff Ultra Jason d 27-May Edinburgh Bodytalk, Mitiog, Jennie McC 03-Jun 10-Jun 17-Jun Poppyline Spoons 24-Jun 01-Jul Lakeland Trails Tim Lebbon 08-Jul 15-Jul Fairland Valley 50k Spoons 22-Jul 29-Jul 05-Aug 12-Aug 19-Aug 26-Aug 02-Sep Wolverhampton? SleepyCat 02-Sep High Peak Ultra 40m? Spoons 09-Sep Nottingham? Mathschick. Bacchus Marathon 16-Sep 23-Sep New Forest 30-Sep Loch Ness kaz 30-Sep Berlin ToffeeLiz 07-Oct Chester Compo, Jason D, GazOC 07-Oct Chicago Fiona C 14-Oct 21-Oct Abingdon AGF, HopetoFinish 27-Oct Snowdon Jason D 28-Oct 29-Oct Dublin No Pain
I'm following the P&D Up to 55mile per week plan at the moment, I need to do my long runs mid week so I am trying to change the days around, trouble is I keep changing them as keep thinking that i may be getting it wrong! I'm hoping for a 3hr 29min 59sec marathon time. My best marathon time so far was this year at Stratford in 3hr 44min. I know I will have 15mins to take off but I'm willing to give it a go.
Gaz- good luck with it. If you need to change the sessions around it's no biggie- just avoid back to back hard days. There is a section about just this point in the book- but it basically says the same I took 17 mins off my PB this year with a combo of P&D and Gobi's advice to throw some long and slow runs in to build endurance These slow sessions hurt the most at first
08-Jan 5 Tarns VinterMaraton (Denmark) Gobi 22-Jan Gloucester 50k Gobi 29-Jan 05-Feb 10-Feb Quadzilla day 2 Gobi 12-Feb 19-Feb 25-Feb Belvoir Challenge Spoons 04-Mar Barry 40m Gobi 11-Mar 18-Mar Rome Cjay85 25-Mar 01-Apr Sussex Mathschick 01-Apr South Downs HopetoFinish 01-Apr Santiago Liam3494 08-Apr 15-Apr Brighton Holly Liz, AGF, VikW, Dan Ellingworth, Solent Runner, Claire C, Luca79, Pete the Plod 15-Apr Paris Roof gimp, Kaz 22-Apr London Jason D, Spoons, Fiona C, No Pain, Ratzer. Minni. HopetoFinish, Brizo, Pete Tizard, Muppley, Gazelle!! I wish
29-Apr Manchester Rob Kilby. Em Scott, GazOC 29-Apr Milton Keynes Teknik 06-May North Dorset Tim Lebbon 13-May Halstead 19-May White Peak 20-May Windermere Rachael 20-May Copenhagen Mon,
20- May Cardiff Ultra Jason d 27-May Edinburgh Bodytalk, Mitiog, Jennie McC 03-Jun 10-Jun 17-Jun Poppyline Spoons 24-Jun 01-Jul Lakeland Trails Tim Lebbon 08-Jul 15-Jul Fairland Valley 50k Spoons 22-Jul 29-Jul 05-Aug 12-Aug 19-Aug 26-Aug 02-Sep Wolverhampton? SleepyCat 02-Sep High Peak Ultra 40m? Spoons 09-Sep Nottingham? Mathschick. Bacchus Marathon 16-Sep 23-Sep New Forest 30-Sep Loch Ness kaz 30-Sep Berlin ToffeeLiz 07-Oct Chester Compo, Jason D, GazOC 07-Oct Chicago Fiona C 14-Oct 21-Oct Abingdon AGF, HopetoFinish 27-Oct Snowdon Jason D 28-Oct 29-Oct Dublin No Pain
Gobi- me too Was hoping to meet up at last at Barry 40-seen that you've done this several times and the psychological challenge intrigues me- but just too close to VLM for me
Gaz- good luck with it. If you need to change the sessions around it's no biggie- just avoid back to back hard days. There is a section about just this point in the book- but it basically says the same I took 17 mins off my PB this year with a combo of P&D and Gobi's advice to throw some long and slow runs in to build endurance These slow sessions hurt the most at first
ooh that makes me feel a lot better about knocking off 15mins.
Mathschick- Not a silly question at all. Quite a few people have mentioned the P&D training plan and it has a very high success rate. It is a book called Advanced Marathoning by Pete Pfitzinger and Scott Douglas. Hopefully other peeps may be able to tell us more!
Gaz - After not following a training programme at all for my first marathon in September, I am hoping that with following a programme and all the advice from the experienced marathoners on here - Gobi, NP, JD, Spoons......- I'll be able to knock a lot more than 15 mins off.............or I'm maybe naive and too ambitous??!!
A gorgeous calm day here in the north and guess what......yes I am working and a double shift since I need tomorrow off.... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!! Heres hoping everyday off the next week is nice and I can run endlessly........... avoiding the future mother-in-law tactic!!!
Stupid question from me next and showing my ignorance where the geography of England is concerned...........What marathons are near Marple, Chesire??? My brother moved there this year and thinking it would be a good way of planning a visit!
Hmmm if others are up for chopping off 15 min maybe I should be braver and revise my target... Was thinking 3:35 after 3:42 in Amsterdam but maybe should go for 3:30...
Gobi- Chester would seem a good option instead of Loch Ness, suppose it will depend on school hols as usual!! I know 15 mins( at least) is realistic especially given the improvement i've seen of late!!! Looking forward to some nice slow runs of the next few days, its amazing how much I come to like running at a slower pace!
Just spent all morning reading this thread and it is full of good advice and nice and friendly so would like to join in. I have managed to get in the VLM via the running club ballot so very excited.
My last marathons have been 4:32, 4:34 and 4:36 following Runners World sub 4:30 plan (so going backwards). I would really love to run 4:15 but not been able to find a schedule for this time. Reading the last few comments I now believe this can be achievable as long as I get my act in gear and will be running the Central Lancs half on 02/01/12 to get me motivated.
Good luck to those running Manchester, I will be on one of the water stations.
I bought "Advanced Marathoning" just before Xmas and have just started the 18 week, 55-70 mile program for Manchester marathon. My only other marathon was Chester in October where I got 3:53 with a much shorter, bodge job type preparation, so I'm hoping I can improve on Octobers time by a decent margin....under 3:40 would be nice!
At the end is one of the training schedules in the book, but it's the longer one (ie 55 to 70 miles per week) that Mon and GazOC are doing. The 40 to 55 mile schedule in the book has the same long runs, but one more rest day and lower mileage on the other 5 days (for lightweights like me and Gazelle).
can anybody advise a good training plan for me? I want to finish marathon in under 5 hours, and have done 3 so far and have yet to achieve me goal, I think I am either not doing enough 20 mile runs or not doing enough each week....I want to be able to follow a plan that will help me do this? bearing in mind, i have a full time job, and part time business can fit in at least 4 times a week?
well my 1st marathon which was my best one, I only done 1 20 miler, the 2nd one was 2 20 milers, but my last marathon, I really increased my training done 2 20 milers, 3 18 milers, and some speed sessions, but it took me over 6 hours! but this was brighton, it was a hot day, and i had to walk 20 minutes to start line, so I think all them factors kind of hindered me! I think i eat right always ensure i have a balanced diet, but just think my training plan was somehow lacking in something...
R32- there are some proper runners on here who will offer you proper advice but I would say that you would be better off doing a few more 20 milers, at least 4-5. What was your weekly mileage?
Comments
Gobi,
With the advice about schedules what are your thoughts on Jeff Galloways Novice marathon plan as the longest run on that is 26 miles about 4-5 weeks before the race? I was thinking if I used that schedule to change it to 20 miles.
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Well done on everyone's training.
Can you put me down for Manchester at the end of April and Chester at the start of October please?
Cheers
Gaz
Updated with Gaz's races:
08-Jan 5 Tarns VinterMaraton (Denmark)
22-Jan Gloucester 50k Gobi
29-Jan
05-Feb
10-Feb Quadzilla day 2 Gobi
12-Feb
19-Feb
25-Feb Belvoir Challenge Spoons
04-Mar Barry 40m Gobi
11-Mar
18-Mar Rome Cjay85
25-Mar
01-Apr Sussex Mathschick
01-Apr South Downs HopetoFinish
01-Apr Santiago Liam3494
08-Apr
15-Apr Brighton Holly Liz, AGF, VikW, Dan Ellingworth, Solent Runner, Claire C, Luca79, Pete the Plod
15-Apr Paris Roof gimp, Kaz
22-Apr London Jason D, Spoons, Fiona C, No Pain, Ratzer. Minni. HopetoFinish, Brizo, Pete Tizard, Muppley
29-Apr Manchester Rob Kilby. Em Scott, GazOC
29-Apr Milton Keynes Teknik
06-May North Dorset Tim Lebbon
13-May Halstead
19-May White Peak
20-May Windermere Rachael
20-May Copenhagen Mon,
20- May Cardiff Ultra Jason d
27-May Edinburgh Bodytalk, Mitiog, Jennie McC
03-Jun
10-Jun
17-Jun Poppyline Spoons
24-Jun
01-Jul Lakeland Trails Tim Lebbon
08-Jul
15-Jul Fairland Valley 50k Spoons
22-Jul
29-Jul
05-Aug
12-Aug
19-Aug
26-Aug
02-Sep Wolverhampton? SleepyCat
02-Sep High Peak Ultra 40m? Spoons
09-Sep Nottingham? Mathschick. Bacchus Marathon
16-Sep
23-Sep New Forest
30-Sep Loch Ness kaz
30-Sep Berlin ToffeeLiz
07-Oct Chester Compo, Jason D, GazOC
07-Oct Chicago Fiona C
14-Oct
21-Oct Abingdon AGF, HopetoFinish
27-Oct Snowdon Jason D
28-Oct
29-Oct Dublin No Pain
Can I join the party pretty please???
I'm running the London marathon on the 22nd April and currently following the P&D training plan.
Gazelle- welcome I'll add you in if you tell us which version of P&D plan and your hoped for/ expected finish?
BUT, anyone else, please note it's a free for all copy and paste
08-Jan 5 Tarns VinterMaraton (Denmark)
22-Jan Gloucester 50k Gobi
29-Jan
05-Feb
10-Feb Quadzilla day 2 Gobi
12-Feb
19-Feb
25-Feb Belvoir Challenge Spoons
04-Mar Barry 40m Gobi
11-Mar
18-Mar Rome Cjay85
25-Mar
01-Apr Sussex Mathschick
01-Apr South Downs HopetoFinish
01-Apr Santiago Liam3494
08-Apr
15-Apr Brighton Holly Liz, AGF, VikW, Dan Ellingworth, Solent Runner, Claire C, Luca79, Pete the Plod
15-Apr Paris Roof gimp, Kaz
22-Apr London Jason D, Spoons, Fiona C, No Pain, Ratzer. Minni. HopetoFinish, Brizo, Pete Tizard, Muppley, Gazelle!! I wish
29-Apr Manchester Rob Kilby. Em Scott, GazOC
29-Apr Milton Keynes Teknik
06-May North Dorset Tim Lebbon
13-May Halstead
19-May White Peak
20-May Windermere Rachael
20-May Copenhagen Mon,
20- May Cardiff Ultra Jason d
27-May Edinburgh Bodytalk, Mitiog, Jennie McC
03-Jun
10-Jun
17-Jun Poppyline Spoons
24-Jun
01-Jul Lakeland Trails Tim Lebbon
08-Jul
15-Jul Fairland Valley 50k Spoons
22-Jul
29-Jul
05-Aug
12-Aug
19-Aug
26-Aug
02-Sep Wolverhampton? SleepyCat
02-Sep High Peak Ultra 40m? Spoons
09-Sep Nottingham? Mathschick. Bacchus Marathon
16-Sep
23-Sep New Forest
30-Sep Loch Ness kaz
30-Sep Berlin ToffeeLiz
07-Oct Chester Compo, Jason D, GazOC
07-Oct Chicago Fiona C
14-Oct
21-Oct Abingdon AGF, HopetoFinish
27-Oct Snowdon Jason D
28-Oct
29-Oct Dublin No Pain
Jason- Thank you
I'm following the P&D Up to 55mile per week plan at the moment, I need to do my long runs mid week so I am trying to change the days around, trouble is I keep changing them as keep thinking that i may be getting it wrong! I'm hoping for a 3hr 29min 59sec marathon time. My best marathon time so far was this year at Stratford in 3hr 44min. I know I will have 15mins to take off but I'm willing to give it a go.
08-Jan 5 Tarns VinterMaraton (Denmark) Gobi
22-Jan Gloucester 50k Gobi
29-Jan
05-Feb
10-Feb Quadzilla day 2 Gobi
12-Feb
19-Feb
25-Feb Belvoir Challenge Spoons
04-Mar Barry 40m Gobi
11-Mar
18-Mar Rome Cjay85
25-Mar
01-Apr Sussex Mathschick
01-Apr South Downs HopetoFinish
01-Apr Santiago Liam3494
08-Apr
15-Apr Brighton Holly Liz, AGF, VikW, Dan Ellingworth, Solent Runner, Claire C, Luca79, Pete the Plod
15-Apr Paris Roof gimp, Kaz
22-Apr London Jason D, Spoons, Fiona C, No Pain, Ratzer. Minni. HopetoFinish, Brizo, Pete Tizard, Muppley, Gazelle!! I wish
29-Apr Manchester Rob Kilby. Em Scott, GazOC
29-Apr Milton Keynes Teknik
06-May North Dorset Tim Lebbon
13-May Halstead
19-May White Peak
20-May Windermere Rachael
20-May Copenhagen Mon,
20- May Cardiff Ultra Jason d
27-May Edinburgh Bodytalk, Mitiog, Jennie McC
03-Jun
10-Jun
17-Jun Poppyline Spoons
24-Jun
01-Jul Lakeland Trails Tim Lebbon
08-Jul
15-Jul Fairland Valley 50k Spoons
22-Jul
29-Jul
05-Aug
12-Aug
19-Aug
26-Aug
02-Sep Wolverhampton? SleepyCat
02-Sep High Peak Ultra 40m? Spoons
09-Sep Nottingham? Mathschick. Bacchus Marathon
16-Sep
23-Sep New Forest
30-Sep Loch Ness kaz
30-Sep Berlin ToffeeLiz
07-Oct Chester Compo, Jason D, GazOC
07-Oct Chicago Fiona C
14-Oct
21-Oct Abingdon AGF, HopetoFinish
27-Oct Snowdon Jason D
28-Oct
29-Oct Dublin No Pain
Berlin in Sept
Dublin in Oct
Thank you
hope this isn't a silly question - what does P&D stand for?
Thanks
ooh that makes me feel a lot better about knocking off 15mins.
Mathschick- Not a silly question at all. Quite a few people have mentioned the P&D training plan and it has a very high success rate. It is a book called Advanced Marathoning by Pete Pfitzinger and Scott Douglas. Hopefully other peeps may be able to tell us more!
Gaz - After not following a training programme at all for my first marathon in September, I am hoping that with following a programme and all the advice from the experienced marathoners on here - Gobi, NP, JD, Spoons......- I'll be able to knock a lot more than 15 mins off.............or I'm maybe naive and too ambitous??!!
A gorgeous calm day here in the north and guess what......yes I am working and a double shift since I need tomorrow off.... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!! Heres hoping everyday off the next week is nice and I can run endlessly........... avoiding the future mother-in-law tactic!!!
Stupid question from me next and showing my ignorance where the geography of England is concerned...........What marathons are near Marple, Chesire??? My brother moved there this year and thinking it would be a good way of planning a visit!
Kaz
1. realistic to knock 15 mins off
2. Chester/Liverpool/Manchester - depends what you call close :¬)
Hills today :¬)
7 miles this morning, around 8:45 pace for miles 1/3/5/7 and 2/4/6 were 6:37/6:33/6:31.
Too much Christmas cheers has left me feeling a bit lethargic, I'm looking forward to knuckling down in January now.
Ian :You're already in the party! Just added your 2 marathons. Also noticed that I had missed chicaboo's Belfast...hope this was definite.
6 miles this morning, 3 at "tempo" (LOL - with the wind this morning I barely reached HM pace).
08-Jan 5 Tarns VinterMaraton (Denmark) Gobi
22-Jan Gloucester 50k Gobi
29-Jan
05-Feb
10-Feb Quadzilla day 2 Gobi
12-Feb
19-Feb
25-Feb Belvoir Challenge Spoons
04-Mar Barry 40m Gobi
11-Mar
18-Mar Rome Cjay85
25-Mar
01-Apr Sussex Mathschick
01-Apr South Downs HopetoFinish
01-Apr Santiago Liam3494
08-Apr
15-Apr Brighton Holly Liz, AGF, VikW, Dan Ellingworth, Solent Runner, Claire C, Luca79, Pete the Plod
15-Apr Paris Roof gimp, Kaz
22-Apr London Jason D, Spoons, Fiona C, No Pain, Ratzer. Minni. HopetoFinish, Brizo, Pete Tizard, Muppley, Gazelle!! I wish
29-Apr Manchester Rob Kilby. Em Scott, GazOC
29-Apr Milton Keynes Teknik
06-May North Dorset Tim Lebbon
07-May Belfast Chicaboo
13-May Halstead
19-May White Peak
20-May Windermere Rachael
20-May Copenhagen Mon,
20-May Cardiff Ultra Jason d
27-May Edinburgh Bodytalk, Mitiog, Jennie McC
03-Jun
10-Jun
17-Jun Poppyline Spoons
24-Jun
01-Jul Lakeland Trails Tim Lebbon
08-Jul
15-Jul Fairland Valley 50k Spoons
22-Jul
29-Jul
05-Aug
12-Aug
19-Aug
26-Aug
02-Sep Wolverhampton? SleepyCat
02-Sep High Peak Ultra 40m? Spoons
09-Sep Nottingham? Mathschick. Bacchus Marathon
16-Sep
23-Sep New Forest
30-Sep Loch Ness kaz
30-Sep Berlin ToffeeLiz, Ian Boyd
07-Oct Chester Compo, Jason D, GazOC
07-Oct Chicago Fiona C
14-Oct
21-Oct Abingdon AGF, HopetoFinish
27-Oct Snowdon Jason D
28-Oct
29-Oct Dublin No Pain, Ian Boyd
Just spent all morning reading this thread and it is full of good advice and nice and friendly so would like to join in. I have managed to get in the VLM via the running club ballot so very excited.
My last marathons have been 4:32, 4:34 and 4:36 following Runners World sub 4:30 plan (so going backwards). I would really love to run 4:15 but not been able to find a schedule for this time. Reading the last few comments I now believe this can be achievable as long as I get my act in gear and will be running the Central Lancs half on 02/01/12 to get me motivated.
Good luck to those running Manchester, I will be on one of the water stations.
Mon77 - sub 3:30 has a better ring to it.....
For those that are interested or still searching for a plan, here's the link to the Pfitzinger book http://www.amazon.co.uk/Advanced-Marathoning-Peter-Pfitzinger/dp/0736074600/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322309325&sr=8-1
For the time-pressured, there's a summary of the book on the US site: http://runningtimes.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=4432&PageNum=1.
At the end is one of the training schedules in the book, but it's the longer one (ie 55 to 70 miles per week) that Mon and GazOC are doing. The 40 to 55 mile schedule in the book has the same long runs, but one more rest day and lower mileage on the other 5 days (for lightweights like me and Gazelle).
Kaz have a look at this one, not too far from Marple, off road and flattish, really nice and friendly White Peak mara
fills up quickly.
http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/general/big-marathon-index/7355.html
R32- how did you train for your previous 3 maras? How many miles a week? How many 20 mile runs?
Oh, can I please add NY to the list in November? Sort of forgot it's happening as well...