Hi guys,
I was hoping for some guidance regarding an injury I have had for a while now. It first happened about 2 months ago. I went on a pretty long run of about 11.5 miles. At the end of it my left calf was killing me. Rock hard and very painful. I tried going for a short run about a week later, but it was too uncomfortable. I then went about 2 weeks without doing anything, following by light swimming and cycling. My first few runs of about 4 miles each went fine. No discomfort. However, yesterday I went for a longer 7 mile run and I noticed the pain and hardness in my left calf again.
I took it very easy, but the discomfort was definitely there again.
Description of pain: It builds slowly. Mainly lower calf, but I feel pain in the whole calf area. Stretching doesn't seem to help much. Yesterday I stopped twice during the run to stretch. Immediately after the run I stretched and massaged the calf. Interestingly, it doesn't hurt if I apply pressure to the muscle.
I was wondering if someone has had a similar problem? I have been running for about 2 years and run in the region of 2-3 times a week.
Thanks for your input in advance.
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I have something similar - did a half marathon about 8 weeks ago and then did two 8k runs, a week apart. Towards the end of both I felt like there was a ball or something in my calf. Since then I've had days when my left calf has felt really uncomfortable, especially early in the morning. On other days, when my calf hasn't hurt, I've had nervy feelings at the top of my left leg. Its really strange and has put me off getting out running because, although its not particularly painful now, I'm concerned that running will make it worse. I'm going to a physio tomorrow as it doesn't seem to be going away. Will let you know what she says.
Cheers. It does sound a lot like the same thing. Looking forward to hearing what your physio says...
could be a lot of underlying causes, so best for physio to have a look...if the pain is mild, there are calf compression socks out there, which look a bit silly, but apparently work...
I guess I'm a bit worried, since I have never really had an injury like this before. I don't think it is 'just' a pulled muscle and I'm fearful that I might make it worse...
Hey Tom. Thanks for your input.
Are there any odd symptoms with this? Not sure what you mean by odd. I guess from my point of view, I think it is strange that, applying pressure to the calf muscle doesnt hurt at all or increase the pain in any way.
Any pins and needles or numbness? A little bit. It's difficult to describe, but my whole left leg kind of feels very slightly numb and I feel random pain along my leg up to my lower back. I've had problems with sciatica in the past, so I barely notice it now.
Any redness or noticeable swelling in the calf? Not that I have noticed.
Try testing the muscle's endurance by doing repeated single leg calf raises. Right leg: Easily managed 30 reps, without any discomfort. Left leg: managed about 20, when it started to get very tight and painful.
@Nazey - not a problem. I hope Tom can help you too.
Thanks for your help Tom. I will let you know!
does one of these look like the problem you are getting?
http://www.triggerpoints.net/triggerpoints/glut-min.htm
http://www.triggerpoints.net/triggerpoints/soleus.htm
(red areas show pain, crosses show trigger points)
having had a similar problem myself after overuse of barefoot shoes I would recommend trying alternate ice, then heat, find the trigger point and massage regularly (a tennis ball is good) stretch the calf gently on a step several times a day, and maybe give it a weeks rest from running or at least reduce the mileage. Apart from that, give it plenty of time to recover, its not a quick result, so don't overdo it. Took about 6 weeks for mine to recover and i had to go back to normal running shoes and then re-introduce the barefoot shoes slowly!
BUT, of course I am not a professional and so i should say that to take my advice with a pince of salt and that 'other treatments are available'!
Thanks Max's mum I do the stretches on a step already but will try massaging. I hope its not going to be too long as im craving a run already!
Tom, can I make the most of your physio knowledge please... your going to regret ever replying to me! haha...
right where do I start... Ive had a few knocks and bumps over the years from horse riding one fall being quite bad about 2 years ago where my horse fell and rolled over me so this may have left underlying issues.
Ive been running for about 2 years but only upping to 10k and above in the last month or so which has bought this ankle/lower calf issue up.
I had a gait analysis done before I upped my distance and was told that I overpronate quite badly and was advised to get the asics 1160 which I did. I feel supported and comfortable in these. I spend most of my life in wellies and have become aware of my gait in them after being anylised, my feet roll in really badly but its not practical to milk cows in my running shoes!!! I do walk about alot in my wellies. I wonder if this is effecting me or if im just paranoid now.
ontop of this... yes theres more!... myself and my horse saw a oesteopath after our fall and I was told my hips are out but at the time was sceptical that a click crack and crunch could straighten me out. I have been more aware of my stance now and noticed that if i stand with my feet level together or apart facing forward my right leg (the one thats hurting) bows out and bends backwards more. and when looking in a mirror i do appear to stand with my hips slightly twisted.
So my questions are... Should I see a phsio, oesteopath, orthotic specialist, podiatrist. Or is there a all in ony type person who could straighten out my OCD if nothing else!
And would I benefit from insoles in my wellies.
Many thanks
The thing about overpronation is that it's talked about by many people as a dangerous, damaging foot condition. It isn't. There is a school of thought that says it's all part of normal variation and that your body will be used to that foot position and manage just fine. Your body can adapt very well to stress and load, providing it's not increased too quickly.
So unless you get pain walking in your wellies that is alleviated by supported shoes then I wouldn't worry. Stick with them. If you find they cause you pain but supportive shoes don't then you could look into wellies with more of an arch support (I had a look on google there do seem to be some available online).
So I'd say the question is does your posture cause you problems? Do you get back or hip pain? If so I would see a Physio they should be capable of addressing that. If you think you have a slightly uneven posture but no pain or problems then I would say that's quite normal. Very few people have "ideal" posture and most people are asymmetrical that's also normal. We tend to be dominant with one hand and that affects our posture. Most people also have a small leg length difference, again quite normal. You only need to get it checked out if it's causing you problems.
Considering you're recently upped your mileage I'd say it's more likely that that would cause new pains than overpronation (which you will have always had) or your posture.
Hope that makes sense!
Tom
@Tom Goom - Right, I've been a bit busy recently, so haven't been able to post in here until now.
I have completed a couple of short runs in the last 10 days, which were fine and yesterday I managed a 10 mile run. Admittedly, I noticed the calf tighten again after about 6-7 miles, but I managed to get through it without too much discomfort. I've been trying to stretch both calves as much as possible and have started the calf raises. I read up on calf endurance and feel that you may have hit the nail on the head.
I think I will take it easy and just try and strech as much as I can. Let's hope it will improve.
Thanks for your help.
@Jonathan Scott 11 I recently had exactly what you are describing with my calves. I have been doing 7.5 mile runs with some steep hills without too much difficulty and then when the weather changed recently and I discarded my leggins for shorts I got appauling cramp after about 4 miles in both legs. So many other variables though means that it is difficult to attribute it just to that. i.e. it could be hydration or a long car journey during the day or other nutritional issues. It won't seem to go away completely however, but I did manage a 9.5 mile run with new shoes that went very well. More recent 7.5m one has been painful at about 4 miles again though. Half marathon on Sunday and so was wondering if anyone had any advice on preparation bearing this in mind?
I am curious how you got on with the calf endurance training also?
I had a dull ache in my calf for about a year. I saw numerous physios and really struggled to get rid of it. What i found out in the end was that i was not pushing off my big toe very much and over compensation by using my 4 other toes, this put a lot of strain on the soleus which is where the pain came from. According to the windlass mechanism you are supposed to use your big toe to do about 80% of your push off when running at full speed. The pain i was getting was on the outside of my leg, particularly at the top. The way i got rid of it was to do a lot of heel raises but concentrating on pushing off the big toe and doing the soleus stretch. My physio recommended starting off doing 15 heel raises and 15 bend knee heel raises 3 times a day and build up from there. Also holding the soleus stretch for 30 seconds with the knee in the 10, 12 and 2o'clock positions, again 3 times per day. I would recommend not running until you get rid of the pain completely, this took me about 2 weeks and then start off running well below your top pace and building up slowly. Hope this helps, it was the most annoying injury i ever had and very hard to get rid of.
I have been struggling with my calves since March. So frustrating. I can run well for a few weeks then mid way through a run, my calves also tighten to the point where I have to hobble home and rest and massage for 2 weeks each time.
i saw a podiatrist in sept who was fab. started with my big toe and worked up to my sciatica. Ran, injury free for weeks after but I can't afford to see him often. Thought about my trainers, I have been running inSaucony for years but a gait analysis a few years ago recommended Asics, which give me knee pain.
will be giving the heel lifts a go after reading this thread and may book one more appt with the podiatrist and my buy some new trainers as a cheer me up present!!!
any advice would be great. And good luck to all thos struggling too.
Are you sure it's your calf? I had problems and feel soreness in my calf, eventually it became clear it was my lower hamstring just under my knee. Spent 2-3 weeks focusing on hamstring stretches and my calf felt better and I've been running again for about a month with no problems.
Just a thought