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After watching the England supporters on channel 4 news last night I'm glad England got knocked out.
So...what will happen today. I don't know what to think about Corbyn, but Labour are split and I can't see how it can be resolved.
Cameron has got meetings with other EU leaders...I'd love to be a fly on the wall in those.
The "foreigners" working in my office don't feel so welcome in this country any more. My "foreign" wife feels a little bit more self-conscious and nervous when she's out and about too. Isn't that nice? Makes you proud.
When the country's football supporters have more in common with the Russian hooligans than the famously friendly Welsh and Irish fans it is not hard to see why this country is in trouble now. They have been given the impression that the country backs them in their racist and tribal behaviour.
But Corbyn wasn't giving a clear enough message (and possibly not even the message they wanted to hear) to all the "traditional Labour voters" (I put that in quotation marks because I'm not certain they really exist any more) people who apparently "should have" voted to remain and did not. He is a nice, quiet man who nobody is listening to. Why do you think they are going to listen to him at the next election? He was speaking last night as if it it was business as usual and the referendum had never happened
Maybe Labour could get away with a leader as left wing as him but they would need to have a much more forceful personality and be less polarising - you still need to attract the people "in the middle" to get a parliamentary majority.
Meanwhile UKIP are promising bread and circuses - you can see where this is heading if we are not careful.
And yes, the racist abuse has started already. That was never going to happen was it?
Much as I like Corbyn, he has to go now. He may have the support of the party membership, but the party also needs to attact voters. And a lot of them won't be teetotal vegetarian pacifists with an internationalist outlook.
What really fecks me off is how the Leave side (apart from Farage and co) are backtracking on immigration, when they knowingly made that the main part of their campaign.
I was speaking to some Americans about all this last night and they pointed out that this is not a problem just for the UK but right across what could loosely be described as the western world. Far right parties are doing well in Europe and of course in the US Donald Trump is also seizing on the immigrant issue as a powerful tool in his campaign.
In fact one of the Americans came up with quite a funny line, he said a lot of Americans are looking to vote 'out' but they're not in anything to vote out of.
Trump thinks it's a good thing Britain is leaving the EU, and hope the EU breaks up. So does Putin. Says it all.
Farage in the EU parliament today with his union jack. What a twat.
Theresa May has been very quiet before and after the referendum...
Also I don't think I've heard anything from Farage since the day after the referendum (thank god!).
I guess were in a waiting game till we get a new PM, then wait for the trigger to be pulled, then two years of fraught negotiations. It'll be a long time before the dust settles.
Mr Worry - there was a long interview with Farage on Ch4 news last night (you should watch the whole programme on catchup if you can - was excellent). He was saying he was not happy with some of the stuff being said by Johnson and co about staying in single market etc.
He's not going away.
WTF is Farage being allowed to stand up and spout abuse at the the European Parliament?
Never mind "why are you still here?" Juncker, just kick the sorry f*cker out of the place.
Fucking rabble-rousing Nazi dick of a man!
I think you're being too soft on the daft racist.
You could be right.
Way to go you fucking fuckwit - these are the people we need to negotiate with to get your imaginary green and pleasant land "back", Why are you pissing them off?
I mean seriously are he and BoJo even sane?
Farage is there because he was voted into the totally undemocratic institution.
I hate him. Wish he'd cock off.
That's not fair on the donkey.
I no longer have the lexicon to describe Farage. He has exhausted all my superlative profanities.
Never mind the Tory schism, what the hell are Labour playing at? This is the time for when they should be showing strong and vociferous opposition and a potential glimmer of light in this shitstorm, yet all they can do is the same as the Tories - infight and backstabbing to see which turds float to the top.
It's a tragedy when nobody in Westminster is actually doing their job. It truly is Lord of the Flies, and Jeremy Hunt is about to start wearing his tie round his head.
Lib Dems, have you got anything to offer?
Zouse, Lib Dems have pledged to fight for re-entry into EU.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36635273
How successful that will be is anyone's guess at the moment.
Sorry if it's been posted before, but have people read what Clegg wrote, which was published the day *before* the vote?
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/will-wake-vote-leave/
The Lib Dems are increasing their party membership but as a political party are still recovering from what happened at the last election.
Tim Farron is saying sensible things, promising to stand on a pro-EU mandate at the next election but is small voice being drowned out in the cacophony of everything else that's going on at Westminster.
At the moment he has a personal Facebook page that you can still join as a friend, to me that reflects the reality of his position just at the moment.
When things quieten down (if they ever do) perhaps their moment will come.
As for Clegg - I always thought he was sensible and didn't really know what people expected him to do with regard to the coalition. The talks with the Labour Party were never really going to work. A coalition of losing parties could have had a hard time in Parliament and from the electorate who were angry at the way Labour handled the economy.
Tell you what though, that LibDem coalition is beginning to look like a lovely thing in retrospect.
WTF is Farage being allowed to stand up and spout abuse at the the European Parliament?
Never mind "why are you still here?" Juncker, just kick the sorry f*cker out of the place.
Fucking rabble-rousing Nazi dick of a man!
Tim Farron? Who hell he?
My work (and my personal interests) mean that I follow UK-International politics quite closely, but I couldn't pick out Farron in a line-up even with a gun to my head. There is just no visible opposition to the current blue chaos.
I shall seek asylum North of the wall at this rate.