Just a small question, but I take it you mean you got the outlaw tattoo, not an M. ? Obviously they are both long distance triathlon, but M. is a brand.
If you've completed the Outlaw and got an M. tattoo isn't it like running the Nike 10K and getting an Adidas tattoo?
holly - there's a whole debate somwehere (check out the tattoo thread maybe) about what an m. tat means and whether you could/should have or need one for doing a non WTC event
dyson = hoover pepsi = coke looped fabric = velcro sticky paper = post it note sticky plastic = sellotape
all brands to the right but used as generic terms to describe other brands
Realise that, FB. Just from my perspective having done an branded M. for my first, I thought long and hard whether I wanted to have an M. tattoo.
I can't answer the question whether I would have had an M. had I not done the first one as a M. branded event.
Also to consider is that Outlaw was a superbly organised event and it if it continues to be so, it may be that in the UK, Outlaw becomes synonymous with long distance tri....
Once again, it's what it means to the person whom it is on not those looking at it. For me it's a symbol of all the hard work and hours over the 12 months and not the brand
So taking that literally, it means that to you that the Outlaw name does not mean the same in terms of effort or reward the same, What would it take for them to mean the same?
I have to say that I work in marketing, so I look on things like this quite differently I guess.
It's the battle of the brands. Outlaw may be a bit pissed off that people take their highly branded >O 'long course / iron-distance' event and turn it into an 'ironman - M.' Which is essentially their competition.
Just like Pepsi may get a bit pissed off with people referring to their soft fizzy drink as Coke.
I've thought about getting an Outlaw tat done as it is quite distinctive but I don't think I will. if I had tats for every branded race that I've done I'd be covered in things like Flora, Virgin, Nike, Adidas, Asics etc logos!!!
holly - think of how many times the finish line announcers said "you are an Ironman ...ooops - sorry - Outlaw" on Sunday.... it's ingrained into the psyche for many and there are many companies out there that would kill for that sort of brand recognition!! and I guess Outlaw is benefiting from that in many ways....
I rather like the Outlaw logo. If I'd done the race, I'd certainly have a good think about that logo as an alternative to the M dot as I think it looks great and would make a great tattoo ( would have to be in blackwork though).
I reckon the Outlaw folks also spent quite a bit on designing a logo that was replicable so I was looking forward to seeing the Outlaw tats. Next year maybe
Chrissie Wellington broke the Ironman record at a non M. event...does that mean it doesn't count? Course not...I think you'll find in the eyes of WTC that is the case.Chrissie may have broken the Iron Distance record but not the IM record at Roth.
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Insert emote for *slap forehead*
This is why people do trifles...
Nice change Purple
+1 on the need to see the tat
MTri - you need to PM someone at runners world......
I think its Alice RW
There is a whole forum thread on this somewhere... can't be that hard to find as I did it 2 months ago.
IPM niiiiccce!
Perhaps I sHould become RidgebackM.ax
Just a small question, but I take it you mean you got the outlaw tattoo, not an M. ? Obviously they are both long distance triathlon, but M. is a brand.
If you've completed the Outlaw and got an M. tattoo isn't it like running the Nike 10K and getting an Adidas tattoo?
I got the A///, the swoosh, and the wave just for good measure.
dyson = hoover
pepsi = coke
looped fabric = velcro
sticky paper = post it note
sticky plastic = sellotape
all brands to the right but used as generic terms to describe other brands
so long distance tri = ironman
Realise that, FB. Just from my perspective having done an branded M. for my first, I thought long and hard whether I wanted to have an M. tattoo.
I can't answer the question whether I would have had an M. had I not done the first one as a M. branded event.
Also to consider is that Outlaw was a superbly organised event and it if it continues to be so, it may be that in the UK, Outlaw becomes synonymous with long distance tri....
So taking that literally, it means that to you that the Outlaw name does not mean the same in terms of effort or reward the same, What would it take for them to mean the same?
I have to say that I work in marketing, so I look on things like this quite differently I guess.
It's the battle of the brands. Outlaw may be a bit pissed off that people take their highly branded >O 'long course / iron-distance' event and turn it into an 'ironman - M.' Which is essentially their competition.
Just like Pepsi may get a bit pissed off with people referring to their soft fizzy drink as Coke.
my m.dot will do
I rather like the Outlaw logo. If I'd done the race, I'd certainly have a good think about that logo as an alternative to the M dot as I think it looks great and would make a great tattoo ( would have to be in blackwork though).
I reckon the Outlaw folks also spent quite a bit on designing a logo that was replicable so I was looking forward to seeing the Outlaw tats.
Next year maybe