VLF 2012 Disaster, peeing pure blood at mile 13 & more.

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  • GladragsGladrags ✭✭✭

    Mark - sorry to hear you had such a shocker but I do think you need to listen to some of the analysis being offered on here.

    Just read your last post again.

    Your half marathon time is 1h55 (8m47 miling). But on Sunday you were aiming to run 14 miles in 2 hours (8m35 miling). That makes no sense. You were aiming to run the first half of a marathon at a faster speed than you can run a half marathon? Anyone trying that is going to have a shocking second half.

  • Is that an HM race time Mark?  How far did you run the sunday before the race?
  • Just 10  miles on the sunday then 4 on the tuesday.

    I didnt slow down due to fatigue or anything like that, it was due to whatever was happening inside me. I have done 4 runs over 20 miles in last 8 weeks with top one at 22.

    I do appreciate the comments on here, the doctor said it could have been the lemsips and ibroprufen but I only had 2 on the wednesday  before.

    What I meant with my half marathon time was that when I did my long sunday runs over 15 miles from february i always did teh forst 13 miles in around 1.55 or 2 hours, sunday I  clocked a 2.20 half marathon which is slower then my training pace.

    I was thirsty as hell, mouth felt like rubber, wanted to pee every 30 seconds but couldnt then when i did it was blood, I felt off and not right, my 2nd half times were not due to going too fast at the start or first half marathon, id have been happy with a sub 4.30, 4 hours was if it went amazingly well which It didnt.

  • Mark - werent you running all of your long runs at about the pace that you wanted to run the race at ? All of that effort takes it out of you.
  • Ok I think we're getting somewhere here.  Clearly you were not well on the day.  However what you're saying is that you did all your long runs with the first 13 miles faster than marathon pace and the rest at what ever you could manage?  Did you do the 22 and 17mile runs like that?
  • Hi Cougie  no not really. Id run my shorter thursday runs quicker though at marathon pace.

    My marathon pace on the day was slower then  I normally run, even on my 20+ mile runs so I wasnt looking to go much faster then what I have done when ive done 20, 21 or 22 mile runs.

  • Not sure why you toed the start line if you're having a knee reconstruction in two weeks time, tbh. Sounds to me like deferral would have been a better choice.
  • Why,  the 3 stone weight loss has done my health and knees a world of good. I can run in a straight line just cant play my usualy sport of rugby, tennis, anything with sudden sharp changes of direction and movement till its fixed. Plenty of athletes run without an ACL.
  • Mark I'm getting confused here.  What was your intended marathon pace on the day?  Was it the same as what you were running on Thursdays?  What pace was that?  Where does 1.55 for 13m on a long run fit in and what pace did you run in the long runs after 13miles.  Do you have a flat out race time from the last 6 months at any distance-that would be helpful.
  • Mark, it sounds like you were definitely not right on the day so i wouldn't try and over analyse it to be honest, though if I'd started peeing blood I would have definitely stopped!! Best thing would be to get down the docs and talk about the blood in your pee then go from there. A massive "well done" for the improvement in your weight and fitness.

    As for the ACL, I'm typing this with a bag of frozen peas on my knee having just done the "triad" of MCL, ACL, and meniscus in a ski fall so there won't be much running for me for a bit. I agree that most sports can be done without the ACL though current studies apparently do predict a higher probability of arthritis in later life without a repair. I'm going to have mine done, assuming the MRI confirms the damage, (the manual tests seemed pretty conclusive) as I want to ski again, though I have a mate who skis quite happily without ACLs in either knee! Bizarrely my wife managed to snap BOTH her acls in January and has her first op tomorrow so we'd done lots of research before I managed to do mine!!

    Good luck with the op and I'm sure you'll run a marathon to your satisfaction soon.

  • Jelly Bean - I LOVE your detailed analysis. When I'm ready to hear it, I may ask you for some myself. image

    Mark, I'd really like to ask your advice on some of your weight loss. Was it all from running? Please PM me if you like since you are set up to not take PMs from forum members! Hope you are healing well.

    Zaftig
  • baldblokebaldbloke ✭✭✭
    excellent forum threat. anyone got a horror story worse than mark's?
  • Well the urine tests come back clear so now even more confused and angry.
  • Mark, sorry you are confused and angry, glad you are ok. When you can, please PM me and tell me how you lost weight running. I want to be faster in 2013 and that's the only box I can't check. Training plan, cardio and strength seem ok.
  • Just cut down on carbs a lot  and eat less and didnt eat at night after say 7pm, also stopped eating takeaways and wine at the weekend.

    But main thing was cutting down carbs a lot.

  • There's no point in being angry - that's not going to help you.

    Be happy that it's not something more sinister and in the scheme of things - six months off isnt that bad. Just make sure you stick to your healthy eating and don't pile on the pounds ?
  • SuperCazSuperCaz ✭✭✭

    Mark, some of the others have given very good analysis and advice.  It does sound to me as if you set your goals too high and then over trained.  It sounds like you had put your body under a lot of stress in the months leading up to the marathon, with lots of training and with the restriction of carbs.  When you work that hard it does take it's toll on your body and therefore it should be no surprise that you felt rough in the last week, when you finally reduced your training to a level where your body could recover.

    Then, when it thinks it can start recovering you ask your body to run another 26 miles.  It also sounds like you could have been dehydrated (you say you were thirsty) and had been taking medication known to cause bleeding.  Each issue in itself probably wouldn't have been enough to ruin your marathon, but it sounds like there were a lot of contributing factors which mounted up.

    It sounds to me that you were very lucky to have finished the marathon at all without medical intervention.  It sounds like you are still too emotionally raw to be able to think rationally, but when you are feeling less angry I think you need to read all this advice again and try to learn from the experience.

  • RicFRicF ✭✭✭
    10 out 10 for sheer guts.

    🙂

  • Cut carbs? Waaaaah! I honestly don't think I can do that lol. That said, I certainly don't want to be out there that long again...

    And yes, definitely gutsy but then all of us finishers are.

    Mark, I do hope you feel better soon. You achieved a great thing, I wish you could see it.
  • E mmyE mmy ✭✭✭

    Agree with SuperCaz and Jelly... their analysis and support is fantastic and they mean well.

    @Mark - well done on your achievement and I'm amazed you managed to do it - so well done! When you've recovered; come back and look the advice and reply then. Take a breather and take a step back to understand the reasons.

    @Zaftig - Analyse when you eat and what you're eating. I found that my portion sizes were way too big and more than they should of been. Once I had "retrained" my brain and stomach the pounds came off without really trying.

  • Thanks Emmy_bug! I do agree that SuperCaz and Jelly gave fantastic analysis and support. Looking forward to future posts Mark.
  • Hi mark. I have had the same symptoms. Could be kidney stone. Pain in the stomach and lots of blood. You may of passed it. The running action can make them move. It took a while for the docs to diagnose. Specialist told me to drink three litres of water a day. No more problems since aug last year.
  • baldblokebaldbloke ✭✭✭

    having passed a fair few kidney stones in my time, i can see that passing one towards the end of marathon would be completely and utterly excruciating...if this is what happened to Mark, he deserves a medal!

  • Hi guys, well im back, fit and ready after the ACL operation, half a stone to lose and im at 14 stone. I have my spot for London and trainings going ok after a few bumps and niggles and of course the awful weather.

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