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I'll have to go with the long training runs and try to find a couple more marathons between Jan and June.
Hipps - wow big 50 already, awesome!
still, soon i will "officially" be half way there
1. What Hadd calls HRmarathon, calculated from my actual max HR, is 184 (204 max minus 20 bpm), and according to Hadd my easy running HR should then be 30 bpm less than this, or <154. But in the article he also says that if your HRmax is 193+ (even if over 200, which mine is), then you should do your easy running at <145, and start initial lactate threshold heart rate (LTHR) runs at 155-160.
I'm now a bit confused which of these I should be following. I have been working to running at <145 anyway (based on 204 x 0.7), but then according to Hadd's general guidelines for all max HRs over 193, the initial LTHR runs at 155-160 would be my 'actual' easy run pace, according to my actual HRmax.
2. When doing Hadd's test of repetitions of 2400m, given my HRmarathon, I presume I should be doing 5 repetitons for the following HRs: 150, 160, 170, 180 and 190 -is this correct?
3. A bit of background. After completing my first marathon in October last year I've been doing base training for 6 weeks now, getting down to <145, running 5/6 days per week (4/5 x 6 mile runs in the week, Saturday off and a 10 mile run on Sundays). What I want to know is how should I incorporate LTHR runs into my existing schedule, and the more specific training I will be starting soon? I have a half marathon on 25 March where I hope to do 2 hrs or just under (PB 2:10), and my second marathon on 27th May where I'm aiming for 4:30 or just under (PB 4:39).
I was planning on following Shades level 2 marathon plan (18 weeks, 4 or 5 runs per week including 1 or 2 speed - mostly tempo - sessions), but I see that Hadd doesn't adivise tempo runs until you can do 10 miles at HRmarathon without loss of pace, and I don't think I have sufficient time to build slowly to this before the half and marathon training would begin. I'm therefore wondering how best to continue with Hadd's principles whilst training for my half in March and full marathon in May, given my goals for both races and the time available.
Although I've yet to do any specific tests to measure my progress with base training over these past weeks I'm sure I'm seeing some improvement and want to carry on following the principles, and I've been told that Hadd's give the best results.
Sorry this has been a really long post and thanks for any views.
Do any of you experienced athletes see any great value in training at 100, or is it just completely daft to do so?
My max is 160 so I do my Bt runs at 70%, i.e. 112.
As you can train at 100bpm I would guess your max HR is fairly low too or you're incredibly fit!
Happy New Year to all.
Anyone still doing BT?
I wouldn't consider that the Hadd programme will have a huge effect for the half but could be a good start for the full mara but even this is a little soon. The idea of base training IMHO is just like it says, to lay a base for more speedy training later on. However, the longer you take building the base, the better equipped you will be to do the faster stuff.
Take a longer term view and get a good base. As the man says, you can run too fast but not too slow so run at as low a HR you can without actually walking....you WILL progress using this method. After about 6 months (or as long as you can stand it) try adding on tempo runs and other speed sessions but continue the LSRs...
Others are free to disagree with this and I'd be interested in what you have to say...
RB
I did around 6 months training using base approach...with most runs done at sub 135 (my max is around 182-3). I also ran a couple of runs per week at sub 145 (this increased to sub 150 then sub 155 later in training programme). In any case, most runs were at sub 135. Pace for this HR started at around 10.30 min/mile and improved to around 8.30 min/mile.
Weekly mileage varied between 45-75.
Provided good base for mara which was run in 3.21.55
Good luck.
Actually, leg has stopped locking...
Good to see the old BT thread back up and running...if I ever get back running, I will be following Mr Hadd's principles once again...
regards
d
yes-not long now for you-thank goodness
Hope the op goes well, and that you are able to get back to some training soon.
If I had 6 months with no races on the horizon I would have carried on as I'd been going, but as I don't have that time to play with and have started Shades level 2 marathon plan, I'm just keeping an eye on my HR (before I didn't use a monitor) to make sure easy runs are easy , etc.
I know my 2 months following Hadd's principles have given me a good base for what's to come, and as that's all I can really do for now I'm happy to take that benefit.
dont know the outcome yet
its very VERY good news form david
a cartilage problem was identified and dealt with
he will be back to running
Today I did more or less the same run just slightly further.I ran for 90 minutes again this time doing 8.61 miles at an average HR of 153 bpm,slightly over my limit but it was hot and sunny.My average pace was 10.28/mile.Is this an improvement? Also is it ok to add a few bpm in hot weather?The running itself did'nt feel hard.
What is the best book to get on base training?I cant seem to find Hadd's approach for some reason.
Thanks
Ian.
There was a great link on here to windsurfing susies blog on here
the formula sucks
fo a lot of people, but seesm to be working for you
Im glad you bounced this thread
i need to get back to this
it seems to be an improvement but you need longer and lots more miles
(wiats for someone who knows what they are on about to come back)
http://my.opera.com/cpr/blog/show.dml/394629
Ian.
I need to get back to it
too much racing and i have forgotten how to run slowly
well, its all relative