Race /Fun Run etiquette

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  • Perhaps Wilkie will tell us image

  • WilkieWilkie ✭✭✭

    I was standing up, holding onto the vertical pole (oo-er!).  He put his hand just above mine on the pole, then stroked the back of my hand with his little finger.

    He looked 'ordinary', no greasy mac (well, it was Paris!), about my age. 

     

  • ... and with this a Race For Life was born ... a place where women can run safe from the lecherous, lasivious attentions of the drooling male population.

  • Way to kill the thread Bruce image

  • Back to the OP - general racing tactics are to ensure that when you go past someone you go past strongly, giving them no chance to go with you. Either you need to catch and pass someone strongly in one go, if you don't feel that you can do that, it is a good tactic to drop in behind someone, get a bit of a breather as they are sheltering you from the wind, and then push on strongly.

    I have concentrated on not wasted energy in races recently, following similar tactics, and have smashed 2 pb's this year.

    He may have been a perve, but equally he may have just been totally innocently following a sensible racing tactic. I'd just choose to believe in the latter and let it go.

  • yeah sorry about that .... to even things up here is a picture of a nice cute ass !!!

    http://www.donkeysofwales.co.uk/image/forsale/big/molly.jpg

     

    However with these new laws Cameron is proposing on banning internet porn then how are us red-blooded males supposed to sate our perverted carnal desires ... its only going to lead to even more 'female only drafting' in races .... where will it all end ?

     

  • Pudge wrote (see)
    Wilkie wrote (see)

    I don't know about 'most women' - I haven't, and a quick poll in my office shows no-one here has.

    I have had my hand stroked by a stranger on the Paris metro though.

     

    Ha! I can imagine it now...."Right girls, quick question for you all...how many of you have had a todger thrust at you by a pervy old bloke in a mac?"

    And that's normal office banter at your workplace is it?!

     

    Young bloke, no mac, and he looked extremely happy at the time.

  • LouiseG wrote (see)
    Pudge wrote (see)
    Wilkie wrote (see)

    I don't know about 'most women' - I haven't, and a quick poll in my office shows no-one here has.

    I have had my hand stroked by a stranger on the Paris metro though.

     

    Ha! I can imagine it now...."Right girls, quick question for you all...how many of you have had a todger thrust at you by a pervy old bloke in a mac?"

    And that's normal office banter at your workplace is it?!

     

    Young bloke, no mac, and he looked extremely happy at the time.

    Could you tell he was happy by the look in his eyes?  Or the look in his eye?

  • Pudge wrote (see)
    LouiseG wrote (see)
    Pudge wrote (see)
    Wilkie wrote (see)

    I don't know about 'most women' - I haven't, and a quick poll in my office shows no-one here has.

    I have had my hand stroked by a stranger on the Paris metro though.

     

    Ha! I can imagine it now...."Right girls, quick question for you all...how many of you have had a todger thrust at you by a pervy old bloke in a mac?"

    And that's normal office banter at your workplace is it?!

     

    Young bloke, no mac, and he looked extremely happy at the time.

    Could you tell he was happy by the look in his eyes?  Or the look in his eye?


    Several of his eyes were staring straight at me.  Most disconcerting.  But the big grin was the giveaway image

  • I reckon a swift poke in the eyes/eye would have stopped him in his tracks... image

  • Mr Puffy wrote (see)

    so what's his crime? Running at roughly your pace and not being able to get past you?  Letting you tow him  along for a bit while he rests? Or, god forbid, being fifty or sixty?

    do men now have to observe an  exclusion zone around women in races or vice versa? 

     

    I love how threads go quickly off boil. But to respond to this one, I became really aware of him when

    1) he tried over taking me, and he was too close - why over take brushing against someones arm,making them have to move intowards the curb - when there was actually a fair amount of room..? we were not in a massive pack, or in a confined area. seems like dirty tactics to me or I am asking is that normal?

    2) when he moved onto the next woman, he was very very close behind her. If I saw a bloke do that on the street to a woman he would be stopped and slapped. I hope he wasn't that close to me when he was behind me, this kinda worried me image 

    So I was just asking as we were the part of the run I would say going for 10K in an 1h and no where near winning any prizes, is this behaviour normal? or did it seem odd. Male or female - I've never seen it before. 

    I mean my gut feeling is if this happens again I would forgoe any concentration on my pace and stop and have words. 

    So Mr Puffy - I was asking if its simply normal to run that close behind someone, the fact he only seem to target women and he was much older is an aside one (until he's found guiltyimage )

  • But was he wearing a mac, Ninjablossom?

     

  • Mr PuffyMr Puffy ✭✭✭

     

    You seem to have a selective memory, , "Now he was an older guy, late 50s', early 60's - me and this other woman were under 40. So this seemed really creepy to me"

    So what was it you objected to again, his age or his behaviour?

  • DT19DT19 ✭✭✭

    on the point of brushing past as he overtook you, when i overtake in a race (though its not often!!) I am usually summoning up every last ounce of effort and therefore take the shortest possible diversion from my path/stride which often leads to me getting a bit too close.

  • I think you don't understand racing. I'm sure there might have been plenty of room - but as DT says - you're knackered - you won't go much out of your way. I've brushed plenty of people in busy marathons - you have to to get through gaps.



    Maybe 1 hour is his PB ? To him he's racing as hard as the winner.



    He would be behind a runner to keep out of the wind. He won't be massively close - you cant do that or you'd trip the runner up in front. This isn't out in public - it is a running race. So there's no comparison.



    His only 'crime' was to run behind a woman ? I think you're making this much worse than it sounds to me.
  • Mr Puffy wrote (see)

     

    You seem to have a selective memory, , "Now he was an older guy, late 50s', early 60's - me and this other woman were under 40. So this seemed really creepy to me"

    So what was it you objected to again, his age or his behaviour?

    Oooh you seem to be taking offense at this? you have to many posts to be a troll, so are you an older guy who likes to brush up against women running? 

    I'm trying to see it both sides and no offend anyone on here - but as you seem to be there already, I guess you do this? 

    I found it creepy yes. I found the fact he only seemed to do this with younger women, slightly odd yes. I found the whole thing slightly bizarre. 

    So I come on here asking for advise before jumping to conclusions and taking offence.

    Consensus is that he was drafting, yes I still find this odd, as he bypassed the men - but I see what others are saying if he was really being a creepy older man, he would be a few meters back to get an eye full. I also see DT19's point, that he was pushing himself to overtake - but he managed to get a faster decent pace up after a 1k with the next woman. So who knows. 

    End of the day I was there, I saw it and we can speculate to the cows come home, but I thank the other posters for their imput and some lightheartedness and I suggest you Mr Puffy might need to go for a run and get some perspective before jumping all over posters asking for advise and insight. The likes of you are why I stopped posting on here, when your actually in a miniority and theres lots of happy and helpful folk on here. 

  • cougie wrote (see)
    I think you don't understand racing. I'm sure there might have been plenty of room - but as DT says - you're knackered - you won't go much out of your way. I've brushed plenty of people in busy marathons - you have to to get through gaps.

    Maybe 1 hour is his PB ? To him he's racing as hard as the winner.

    He would be behind a runner to keep out of the wind. He won't be massively close - you cant do that or you'd trip the runner up in front. This isn't out in public - it is a running race. So there's no comparison.

    His only 'crime' was to run behind a woman ? I think you're making this much worse than it sounds to me.

    this is all getting out of hand. I just wanted to know if it was normal - I've only done 5 10ks, never seen it before and yes was creeped at the man behind the woman thing. We were 3K into the race, the pack had massivly dispersed - there was room. yes he could have bene knackered, all good.

    I didn't see anyone else do this but then I was at the back. 

    Sorry to have caused so much offense for asking what I thought was a simple question on what seemed creepy as possibly just being normal. 

     

  • DT19DT19 ✭✭✭

    I think some females need to dive back in here now to restore the equilibrium!!

    Obviously only you were there and know how you feel, I would simply give the guy the benefit of the doubt as normal etiquette does not apply when racing. I mean, i would not in a normal circumstance spit in the street, tip a cup of water over my head and throw it on the floor or clear my nose into my hands or vest. In race, i do whatever i need to keep goingimage

  • literatinliteratin ✭✭✭

    Okay, equilibrium: I think he probably was just drafting, but he was picking younger women to run too close to because he was also a bit of a perve.

  • I was happy to try and see it from all sides - if I wanted to straight out and out say it was just sleezy and complain I wouldn't have asked if it was just tactics - shame some posters selectivly read what they want to read.

    And you make a very good point about all race behavior DT19 - thankyou. image 

     

  • If it had been a woman behind a bloke - would you have thought anything of it ? I don't think I would.



    I've definitely sheltered behind people - usually blokes as there are more of them and they're bigger - but if there was a woman I'd have run behind and thought nothing of it. If a woman did what you described - I'd not have thought it pervy at all.



    Is pervy in the eye of the beholder perhaps ?



    People have brushed past me - its just racing. I don't think a 10k would be a great place to perv to be honest - he's going to a lot of effort isn't he - and none of us looks brilliant racing flat out.



    I really think you might be reading far more into it than there was.
  • literatinliteratin ✭✭✭
    cougie wrote (see)
    If it had been a woman behind a bloke - would you have thought anything of it ? I don't think I would.

    It isn't the same thing - culturally (and also physically) women just are more vulnerable in that situation whether you like it or not. Plus he was close enough that Ninjablossom felt unsafe, like she was at risk of being shoved into the kerb by someone physically bigger and stronger. Even if it wasn't on purpose it's not pleasant, and I'm sure most of us when we use race 'tactics' don't get that close.

    Ninjablossom - best thing to do to shake him off is slow right down and force him to overtake.

  • cougie wrote (see)
    If it had been a woman behind a bloke - would you have thought anything of it ? I don't think I would.

    I've definitely sheltered behind people - usually blokes as there are more of them and they're bigger - but if there was a woman I'd have run behind and thought nothing of it. If a woman did what you described - I'd not have thought it pervy at all.

    Is pervy in the eye of the beholder perhaps ?

    People have brushed past me - its just racing. I don't think a 10k would be a great place to perv to be honest - he's going to a lot of effort isn't he - and none of us looks brilliant racing flat out.

    I really think you might be reading far more into it than there was.

    is there a need to carry this on and repeat your self? I'm not reading to much in it... 

    I asked was it tactics or a sleezy odd ball?

    Answer is tactics - with some posters making friendly and valid points I missed - hense my reason for posting to learn from others, to gain insight from those who might have more knowledge and experience than me image Or am I reading too much into it being tactics now as well?..

     

  • Mr PuffyMr Puffy ✭✭✭

    well my input is that you seem to have a problem with his age but you're right I wasn't there I just read what you wrote. Skipping over your hysterical accusa

  • Mr PuffyMr Puffy ✭✭✭

    N for the moment it seems too be you that's already there? you were there before you made the op. 

    you can keep your silly accusations coming all day as well, you're embarrassing yourself rather than me. 

  • Nose NowtNose Nowt ✭✭✭

    For what it's worth, I'd go with the literatin view that he was drafting.... but preferred to do it behind nice females, rather than  sweaty men.  And to draft, you do have to be fairly close, or it's pointless.

    Probably (and I mean that literally) his behaviour was a bit uncomfortable, and crossed the line a little bit.

    But Ninja... I'm not sure you 'seeing it from both sides' as much as you think.  To me, you seem to be being rather hard on people who've taken a different (but perfectly plausible) view.

  • at Mr Puffy - If I was making hysterical accusations - then I would have gone to the race organiser.. you really have a problem with the age thing huh? 

    I asked tactics or sleezy odd ball? where was the accusation? I ran, I felt intimidated by his behaviour - but I asked if this was normal in races before making assumptions. Yes maybe my question was leaning towards what I felt, thats natural.

    But your just making cheap shots at me - your not providing much advise on to how he might have been running using tactics. You've just decided to pick a fight. Thats a bit sad mate, a bit judgemental, a bit well silly. 

    I asked a legitimate question and it does raise some important points about women feeling safe running. To be fair it I would have questioned it, if it was a fit 30 year old man... I still would have felt itimidated, and yes it does look much worse when an older man does it. Thats just the way it is I'm afraid, thats stereotyping for you. 

    Runny - I'm just more confused by the slamming from 2 posters thats started, I can accept he was drafting and why, I said that several posts back... jobs done.

  • This was in a race ? Did you genuinely feel threatened by someone running a bit close ? It's not like he's likely to jump on you in the middle of a 10k ?



    Obviously if you were out running along then this would be a whooole different kettle of fish - but in a race - you have to expect people running close to you. Of all sexes.



    The age of the bloke might be important - but not in a sleazy way. You'd expect an older bloke to be a bit slower (generally - not the case for all of them) so it might be more expected that he'd be running at the pace of a younger female ?
  • The way I read it is that the OP felt intimidated because she thought she would be shoved over by him. That was enough to get her attention, at which point she noticed he seemed to be repeating a certain pattern with other women.

    I don't think she was trying to say she felt sexually threatened.

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