Pace and recovery time concerns

Hi,
I am a complete newbie runner, 46, overweight, (size 14 and 5ft 3), I have never run in my life, not even in my youth. I tried a couple of months ago and could only manage 40 seconds before collapsing, so I joined a beginners running group with a fantastic coach who has helped me so much, this was 4 weeks ago. In my first session I managed 16 minutes of running, made up of 1 minute stints out of 35 mins,19 mins with 2 mins max stints in second week and 23 mins in week 3 with 2, 3 and ending with one 4 mins stint, which about killed me. I have been out tonight on my own and managed to run a 10 min continuous run which I was over the moon about but I am concerned about 2 things, firstly my pace was only 13.20 pace which after some research is verrry slow, and even at this pace I don't think I could have held a conversation through, secondly, my recovery time is about 5 days, my legs hurt so much for days after! I can't ever see me getting to a sub 30 mins 5k. Is this bad?? I'm finding it so hard and can't see a light at the end of the tunnel even though I am making progress, maybe I am being too impatient, but I haven't read any posts about anyone this being ok??? Am I doing something wrong?
Thanks in advance xx.
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  • Just look at the positives - you can run for 10 mins at a time ! Don't worry about pace - you cant expect to be Zola Budd in a few weeks.

    As to recovery - sure your legs may hurt  - but you can still run on them ?  Rest is important but 5 days might be a bit much.  Just look at reducing it until you can maybe get to running every other day.

    Keep up the good work, consistency is key ! 
  • edited April 2017
    patience... it will continue to improve... 10mins will become 20mins, and before you know it, you'll be running for an hour...  and don't worry about the pace... it will naturally improve as you run further.
    lets be honest.... its all prep for an Ironman on my 100th birthday
  • rodeofliprodeoflip ✭✭✭
    You're running. It's hard on the body but the recovery means your body is a little stronger and better able to deal with the stresses of running as a result. So just keep at it and your body will adapt and it will become easier. This takes time, but keep at it and you should start to feel better and feel an improvement.
  • Thank you all for your comments, I know I am getting better as I am already seeing the results. I have been waiting until my legs have nearly fully recovered until trying to run again, should I be trying sooner? I feel like I would be scratching at an inflamed wound by running on sore legs, I am living on pain killers for the first 2 or 3 days as they are so sore, funnily enough, I seem to be fine when walking around, I still take my dog for an hours walk every day and the pain seems to go only to return later!
    Thanks xx.
  • its not a problem to run on tired legs, but only to a point... it is, after all, also meant to be fun!... I'd suggest that if you need painkillers, then wait... its better to run three times a week for months, than four times a week for 2 weeks and end up injured and back on the sofa for months!... running as a fitness aide is a long term thing, not something that happens overnight... be patient and let it develop and improve slowly and steadily... by all means try running on tired legs, but probably not on painful legs.

    I'd also try and avoid the painkillers where possible. I can promise you that the post run pain does eventually stop, and you'll only find you ache after pushing new boundaries of speed or distance.... you've probably got what is referred to as DOMS, Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness... as Rodeo says above.... its your body getting better, healthier and stronger!

    Congrats on sticking with it!.. most don't, so you are ahead of the pack already!
    lets be honest.... its all prep for an Ironman on my 100th birthday
  • I'd think about building up some cardiovascular fitness and leg muscles before doing much running to be honest, e.g. cycling (road or exercise bike), walking, general strength/fitness exercises. Do some running, especially now the weather's getting nicer, but keep it short and super easy. Chances are your running form isn't good, which easily leads to injury. Running's hard - it's a bit all or nothing, so give yourself the easiest ramp up you can by doing some easier, complementary work for a few weeks first.
  • Hi,
    Thanks again for you helpful comments. I will keep at it, I have a training session with my running group tonight, 4th week, led by a fantastic coach who makes sure I run correctly, I have a habit of looking down a lot, which he corrects me on, but other than that my form, I'm told, is good.
    I've managed to keep off the pain killers yesterday, just took some before bed as they ache more when I'm still, but the pain is much less today so hopefully it is getting better.
    I do need to work on my cardio health and leg strength, I am so very unfit, despite walking miles every day with my dog. I will dig out my bike and try to include some cycling, I do strength training with my coach at his gym after a group run so hopefully this will help.

    I wouldn't call it fun yet, the first few mins is ok, then it gets harder, then a real effort but I think I am pushing myself too much, I am impatient and just want to get to that continuous 5k, I will take it easier and not push it to the extreme, I really want this to feel enjoyable, and I think eventually it will.
    Thanks again everyone, I'm feeling more informed now
  • As a beginner as well the only person I compete with for pace is my self, and as long as I'm getting better that's all that matters. I avoided going back out on sore legs but after trying it they loosened up pretty much straight away and didn't hurt during the run
  • TTTT ✭✭✭
    Squished, keep with it. My first run was a mile, at a very slow pace (over 12 mins a mile) 2.5 years later, 1 44 for a HM! Slow and steady is the best way, regular runs with a coach is what will enable you to improve. Even going out you are lapping everyone on the sofa!!!
  • TTTT ✭✭✭
    Sorry about the auto correct Squidgee. Also made a mistake on the time it was 18 months not 2.5 years. Keep at it. 
  • Thank you,
    TT, that's amazing progress, I can't even imagine running a HM, but I may feel differently in a year or so, I would be over the moon just to be able to run a 5k in under 35mins!

    I am getting there, I ran 30 mins out of 35 yesterday evening, broken up into chunks of runs and walks, my longest continuous run was 8 mins and I could chat at the same time so am happy with that. My legs are feeling a lot better, no where need the soreness of last week, I will be heading out again tomorrow and am actually starting to look forward to it
  • How's the training going squidgee? I am curious to hear how you are getting on
  • My recovery period is also very long but it will get better for sure. I drink lots of water, eat protein, Epsom salt baths, and just recently, i'm hooked with this microcirculation therapy( well currently on trial with deoxyhemoglobin vasodilator). Otherwise, just keep on going. :-) Plus, if I still feel very sore, I rest for a day then on the next day I start walking. ;-) Take care!
  • Hi All, just thought I would post an update on my running journey. Well on my weekly group run yesterday evening, I ran my very first continual 5k
  • MrM2MrM2 ✭✭✭
    Great progress. You had so many doubts just a month ago. Just remember to 'make haste slowly' and you will be amazed at what you can achieve over time. Enjoy the moment, but keep working towards your next goal. Happy running.
  • Sorry, I had written a much longer message than that which I thought had posted?!? I'd continued to say that it took me 46 mins to complete so I was very very slow, but it was a continual jog, no walking, and there where some hills which I struggled with, but I was absolutely chuffed to bits afterwards.
    Thank you MrM2, I will be sure to not to overdue it and as you say, just enjoy it
  • I still can't believe I did it after so much self doubt, just shows what you can achieve when you put the time and effort in!
    I plan to be back out there tomorrow for another go and try to improve on my speed a little.
  • CrazeeTCrazeeT ✭✭✭
    Wow just read this thread. Im in the same boat. 46 overweight and really struggling. Only ran about 7 times and already have an injury so im laying off the running for a week. Trying the c25k but after 2 weeks am still only running 60 sexonds max
  • Hi CrazeeT, I was reading one of your posts on another thread about having to run 90 seconds for your fourth run! It did make me smile as I had thought the same on my previous attempts on the c25k, and there have been many over the years!
    I had another go at running 3 months ago but I only managed a measly 40 seconds and ended up in a heap, gasping for breath! I thought, how can I ever complete a c25k program when I can't manage the starting 60 seconds, I needed a c260seconds program!! Lol. Instead I joined a local running group and soon discovered that I was trying to run way to quick and had to slow it right down, got it to around a 15 min/mile pace, which really didn't feel like running at all, I actually felt a bit daft in the beginning as i was only moving forward a fraction quicker than my brisk walk, just with extra bounce! I had many awkward moments when I needed to overtake a walker on a path!
    Do you know what your pace was?? You will read this a lot and I hate to repeat it but finding a comfortable pace really is the key, and even if you can only manage 60 seconds, run 60 seconds until it feels ok, like you are not dying at the end, and the try the forth 90 second run, there is no harm in repeating runs or even weeks. I am sorry to hear about your groin injury, once you are better, do give it another go, I am real proof that nearly anyone can run, I am a real lazy sloth, and am more happy on my sofa or in bed than anywhere else, so if I can do it, I'm sure you can :-)
    Please let us know how you get on.
    Sx
  • CrazeeTCrazeeT ✭✭✭
    Hi Squidgee, thanks for your words if encouragement. I did my first week twice and tonight after missing 2 days due to weather and commitments i ran my second week. I easily ran 90 seconds and even felt 120 seconds was too long to walk! Really surprised myself. I am currently running 13 minute miles well technically walk run but i am really enjoying it. Got home tonight and felt great. Im gonna tempt fate and say i dont ache at all. I stretch to warm up  and stretch after then a lazy hot bath. Hoping to join portsmouth running club very soon.
  • CrazeeTCrazeeT ✭✭✭
    Ive also found and i find it essential now, that in my head i count my steps, so i know how long i have to run before i walk. Makes a massive difference and gives me something to work to. I run approx 85 paces (only count left foot strike) in a minute and 120 for 90 seconds.
  • That's great CrazeeT, it is surprising how quickly your fitness improves! I'm glad to hear that you don't ache too much, I still ache something chronic the day after a run! Your step count is about the same as mine, it's called cadence if you have heard of it and around 90 is a good count to avoid injury from what I have read, although it seems to a bit of a controversial topic! I have a cadence thingy on my running app as I was quite slow to begin with at about 76, so have sped it up a bit. My pace is slower at about 14, tried a 12 min pace run last week which felt more natural to run at but could only manage 10 mins and had to walk a bit, (although it was 26 degrees and I hadn't eaten for 5 hours either!)
    I am now laid up with an awful cold and cough so no running for me right now
    :-(
    Let us know how you get on.
  • Sorry, but can anyone tell me how to create my own thread? i have no option to do so!!
  • CrazeeTCrazeeT ✭✭✭
    NovaCraig i think you need 10 pists or something before it lets you
  • CrazeeTCrazeeT ✭✭✭
    *posts even. Damn you predictive!
    Squidgee i spoke to soon lol i have a small ache behind the balls of my feet and i had a slight groin twinge. Hopefully just the joys of a beginner. Ive heard the words cadenance but never knew what it meant ! Definately felt i could have carried on last night but glad i never as i dont wanna injure/wear myself out ! Definately have the running bug 
  • CrazeeTCrazeeT ✭✭✭
    Well i just wiped 30 seconds iff my last time. Currently at 12.44 minutes a mile. Cant wait to gwt some real stamina bult up. 
  • CrazeeTCrazeeT ✭✭✭
    Dam you predictive is there no edit on this forum ?
  • NickW2NickW2 ✭✭✭
    edited June 2017
    You can edit if it's within an hour or your post, though it's not immediately obvious. If you hover over your post, then a settings icon appears, click on that and you get the option to edit (and it tells you how long left you have).



    And well done on getting quicker! Just try not to overdo it ;)
  • CrazeeTCrazeeT ✭✭✭
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    <div class="QuoteText">You can edit if it's within an hour or your post, though it's not immediately obvious. If you hover over your post, then a settings icon appears, click on that and you get the option to edit (and it tells you how long left you have).

    <img alt="" src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6027274/uploads/editor/a1/20hrfe4jw23f.jpg">

    And well done on getting quicker! Just try not to overdo it ;)
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    Well funny you should say that, as after my run i felt great and wanted to run the rest of the way home ! Im almost craving a run,  is this normal ? I know im a beginner and i need to take it slow but im desperate for the day i can run for an hour ! If i knew i wouldnt get injured then i think id ne out every day. Running tomorrow and cycling sunday for my fix !
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