Yup. I'm against them, I'm against paying for em... Although I've not done anything wrong, don't plan on doing anything wrong, I still think the idea sucks.
Passport Driving Licence NI number card Health Registration Card E111 Vehicle Reg Document with my name address Blood Donor Card with my blood type Numerous Credit & Debit Cards Various insurance policies/documents
so I think I have a fair idea of who I am.
Now, if they could come up with a smart card that could do *all* of these, I'd be prepared to pay for that. It's a pain in the @rse having to carry/find all these different cards/documents.
not sure if I want to have to carry an ID card when out running, but see no problems with having them, just need to link driving licenses and NI numbers to passports and you have all the info you need.
The fact that there will be a database to record eerything about me scares me. AND during the test run a few months ago, I had my iris scanned and guess what? It matched someone elses. This IS a concern, imagine if the other person was a murderer? I'd be in trouble!
Glad I'm not alone. That Iris bit is scary! In addition, my iris is very valuable to me, I'm not sure I like the idea of someone mucking with it in any way.
Many other countries, such as Spain already have ID cards with no problems. Although as Nessie says, we already have several ID's already....in principle, it would be good if they could all be linked under one ID or number.
Think many people object because of the civil liberties angle...
Waste of money if you ask me. They'd be better using the money to crack down on crime properly rather than pussying around with silly little I.D cards.
I don't want the govt to be able to track me like that. i already refuse to use 'loyalty' cards for shopping. i've been in a few brushes with the law for activities related to non-violent demonstrations outside military sites (i'm a Quaker pacifist) & must by now have been on CCTV quite a lot for subverting billboards (eg. writing feminist messages on advertisments attempting to sell a restricted ideal of beauty) etc. Technically these are all illegal acts & i'm well aware of this & have never attempted to avoid responsibility for them. I accept that i live in society, even if i don't agree with what it does. So far I've not been properly charged with anything (though it's a lot easier to arrest a nice girl praying quietly in the middle of the road outside a base than it is to arrest a stroppy Womble with fence-cutters, they've always let me go soon as well). I also work with children, including children with disabilities, & with 'vulnerable' adults in a hospital. I'm wondering how long it will be before evidence of my being an 'undesirable' blocks my doing formal care work.
Just imagine how easy it would be to catch Osama Bin Laden if he had to carry around a card with his name on it!
First time he got pulled over for a minor driving offence he'd be dragged off to chokey in a flash and hey presto! the end of international terrorism for all eternity will be assured!
Yes I'm against it on civil liberties grounds: - £3billion for a voluntary scheme - how long before it becomes compulsory. - Having a license to drive a car etc is different in principal to having an id card just for existing.
I'm not too bothered by the scheme, through I've only read about it breifly in the papers. Sounds like a glorifed NI card to me. And as long as they give the DB contract to any of the large IT consultancy's i wouldent worry too much about anyone 'retrieving' your details. I'd be surprised if they could validate who you are!
Popsider, out of interest, which liberties exactly would we be surrendering?
don't see why people are being so psychotic about being tracked and/or monitored - it happens now for dog's sake!! you are already registered on various databases if you work, have a bank account, pay tax, have a mobile phone, have a passport etc. and the authorities already have the powers to access this data if they need to do so....it's virtually impossible to drop out of all systems....
the fact you are online can also provide data on you and your internet habits without most people even knowing it.....and if you need to be tracked down, it's relatively easy....(how do you think they track paedophiles and terrorists?)
so imho a combined ID card is the best way forward to cut down on all the various bits of info I already have.....
but I have to say - I'd rather not pay for this service.......
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Can't see the fuss.
Passport
Driving Licence
NI number card
Health Registration Card
E111
Vehicle Reg Document with my name address
Blood Donor Card with my blood type
Numerous Credit & Debit Cards
Various insurance policies/documents
so I think I have a fair idea of who I am.
Now, if they could come up with a smart card that could do *all* of these, I'd be prepared to pay for that. It's a pain in the @rse having to carry/find all these different cards/documents.
Theres something about the principal of it that I dont like.
Think many people object because of the civil liberties angle...
Still don't get it. The State can have all these things anyway can't they ?
i've been in a few brushes with the law for activities related to non-violent demonstrations outside military sites (i'm a Quaker pacifist) & must by now have been on CCTV quite a lot for subverting billboards (eg. writing feminist messages on advertisments attempting to sell a restricted ideal of beauty) etc. Technically these are all illegal acts & i'm well aware of this & have never attempted to avoid responsibility for them. I accept that i live in society, even if i don't agree with what it does. So far I've not been properly charged with anything (though it's a lot easier to arrest a nice girl praying quietly in the middle of the road outside a base than it is to arrest a stroppy Womble with fence-cutters, they've always let me go soon as well). I also work with children, including children with disabilities, & with 'vulnerable' adults in a hospital. I'm wondering how long it will be before evidence of my being an 'undesirable' blocks my doing formal care work.
Just imagine how easy it would be to catch Osama Bin Laden if he had to carry around a card with his name on it!
First time he got pulled over for a minor driving offence he'd be dragged off to chokey in a flash and hey presto! the end of international terrorism for all eternity will be assured!
I'm filling up just thinking about it.
- £3billion for a voluntary scheme - how long before it becomes compulsory.
- Having a license to drive a car etc is different in principal to having an id card just for existing.
*the guys in black hats drag Duck away from keyboard before she can corrupt any more innocent minds*
must've been listening to too much Radiohead lately
Popsider, out of interest, which liberties exactly would we be surrendering?
the fact you are online can also provide data on you and your internet habits without most people even knowing it.....and if you need to be tracked down, it's relatively easy....(how do you think they track paedophiles and terrorists?)
so imho a combined ID card is the best way forward to cut down on all the various bits of info I already have.....
but I have to say - I'd rather not pay for this service.......
Why not out of taxes if it's compulsory ?