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What's the plan going forward for the last 6 weeks?
Deffo Handy Cross XC this weekend, as it's local, a real crippling challenge, and is the last one for a ridiculous 7 weeks!
Slightly tempted to chuck a 10k in there too, as I've not done one this year, and compared to the XCs will feel like flying!
I was even madly thinking about chucking the Tadley XC commercial race in too (same course as the club series, but run as an extra by Tadley runners) , which is unthinkable after finding the club series one a slog earlier this year!
We;ll see though. Probably a Boxing day 5k in the mixer too, and maybe Curly (from another thread) 's 250th parkrun on the 29th Dec at Bedfont Lakes.
I was at her 200th 2 years ago (same place, same time of year), so it'd make a nice correlation.
Potentially even see if there's a Dec 31st race to sneak one last one in for the year, although that double on Jan 1st got my race total off to a nice start early doors and might be a consideration this year too.
Easy to sound keen writing aint it!
In all seriousness I don't think anyone should every be pressured by their club to run certain types of races; we are not professionals and it is supposed to be about enjoying our leisure time first and foremost. I don't really care what any club emails say; I'd only do xc when it suits and so far this year that has only been 2 of the 5.
The chap who beat me by 3 seconds yesterday, is a V45 at Burnham.
Wokingham, he did 1hr 24 to my 1hr 17, but looking closer, he did the Burnham Beeches 5k - the offroad one, not the club series one, in 18.12, which is a really good effort.
I'd won that very bootleg level race the last 2 years, in about 19.06 feeling ruined last year (versus a number of midish 17s on the road that summer), so he's obviously a real offroad specialist!
In a club you need a certain number of people on the same wavelength I think. You get your mad serious crack racing teams, and then your gentle road running clubs. Datchet have a nice middle level I think.
We should have a good competition to get into the 12 stage team this year I think, which is how you want it - not just a case of whoever is standing at that time of year!
So probably right in and around where I should be in fairness, which is all you can ask!
Wow - it's really busy at weekends on here, I must post more. Great report SG - do you record your races on a go-pro or something so you can remember each 100m? I can't remember that much from my races tbh. Good racing from Matthew x 2 and a bit of parkrun action
Herne Hill are a big XC club - I mean there used to be 100+ turning up for the club's own xc championships years ago, including Olympians of the time. Mad isn't it. But there's never really any anger these days if the teams are weak or people target other races etc etc, just a bit of low level exasperation!
No race this weekend (yes, I know). Went to a school open day then when the other two went shopping in MK, I jogged down to the handily placed Campbell Pk (setting for a few MK Chiltern league races) to do some hill reps. Same long run route again on Sunday, apparently 'Mapometer' said it was 17.05 miles, which I did in a 'PB' of 1 hr 50. Considering there's just under 1000 ft of ascent, 6.24's seems a bit too quick, although I was going well. Perhaps 16.5 miles giving 6.40's is a bit more like it. Had a bit of a scare after 5 miles when my Achilles/calf started hurting, but it faded away after another couple of miles.
17milers have become your regular, is that to have a cheeky look at a marathon if needs be? Presume you don't have a new fangled GPS then!
Andy Reading, has not surprisingly sold out, as it's just 2 weeks away! I've gone on the waiting list. Not 100% I wanted to do it anyway, hence not entering by now!
Tadley XC is that day I notice (not the series one), for a mad idea. But most likely lets just get Handy Cross done!
SC in no racing SHOCKER!
I think you're being modest in general there Pete and especially so over the shorter distances. Even RB has you well ahead on a HCP basis. That said, my parkrun on Saturday was, apparently, one of my finest ever performances and knocked 0.4 off my HCP. Yeah, whatever!
Am very much looking forward to see if I can scrape in to the 12 stage team. That is serious fun as well as seriously humbling. Next target race for me is Worthing HM in Feb for which I've gone back to a Daniels plan that looks very scary indeed. It worked for the marathon though, maybe it can work another miracle for the HM & the 12 stage team? Will be 46 by then though. OMG.
SG - do you know Andy Cooney, perhaps the best male runner in our club?
Best? Do you mean historically? Must have some pedigree to better than rob f and mcharg were!
I reckon if you are a 0.0 (scratch) handicap you would be expected to do a flattish 10k in 35mins in decent conditions. That means my current 2.7 equates to 37'42 which I certainly couldn't do at the moment (was absolutely all out to do over 30 seconds longer at Fleet recently). Maybe the seemingly time rich SG or our statistical guru PMJ could add some substance to my points with some examples of RB ratings from forumites or others!
Cracking 17M there Simon - more impressive than racing in some ways :-)
Reg - same issue with weight for me, though my response of a bike ride this morning was considerably less than yours
Matt - that's ridiculous! Why on earth would they do that?
Even Harrow AC which is a club with competition as it's driving force seemed pretty laid back about attendance.
Matt, being 'jocked off' a relay team must be the most common reason for runners resigning from a club.
Your example ticks all the boxes for that one.
I've resigned twice for relays issues and nearly a third time as well. There's something about the set up which lends itself to upsetting people.
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I might be able to sneak down to short leg wonder
PeteM - My mate is a wiz in maths and he loves all the age graded stuff, apparently its the older ladies who seem to gain a lot from the Parkrun rankings.
SG - No marathons, but don't you think a solid 17 miler is a good distance to cover most bases distance wise?. I would say anything from 5k up would benefit from a decent LSR of that distance, just pop in some speed work and you're OK - plus some bloody tempos too (ugh!). Agree about trying to get a short leg in the relays..generally if you are fit, you do a long leg.
Wool - I do quite a few races, but I suppose I don't build them up massively - often they are better than doing a training session. I can't score for LBAC in the Chiltern league at the weekend, but i'll do it anyway as a hard training session, just go out a bit steadier than I would in a Surrey League for HHH.
Primmy Hill session lined up for lunchtime - wish me luck!
MattH - that was a good little turnout and report the other day, I forgot to say. Perfectly in keeping with my one liner about you though and the races you have to do in your region
Simon - probably the longer the better to an extent, but possibly too long for some of us to regularly get our heads round. I did 8x15 pre Wokingham, and I credit those with getting me a good time, without necessarily doing too many tempos and HM work.
I think I read Reg mention 12 weeks to Wokingham elsewhere, so will have to 100% decide on it, and get a proper plan in. Nothing pushes you to do that more than clicking "enter" on a longer race!
This week will be a lower mileage week. Recovery from Sunday's XC, another one next weekend, and a little trip to watch Man Utd tonight.
Got a 7 in, including a mid route tough climb, most of it offroad, as a little warmup for Sunday!
Will have to try and get a longun in on Thur, or if I have to Friday, to keep the miles up for one, but keep in the habit of the longrun.
Right, hopefully I actually see United score a goal tonight, On my last 3 trips they haven't (0-3, 0-0, 0-1), which has to be one incredible record!
Almost as odd, as my first 5trips this year all being evening games!
Defo get involved on the Wokingham train. We might actually know each other when we finish 3 seconds apart again.
Reg - I'm up to 77kg when I'm usually sitting at 71. Can't resist a cookie or seventy during the off season. Finally getting motivated to start getting back into it again.
Couple of easy days/going to be a light week with Valencia on Sunday. Going for a real smash and grab, in Saturday morning, out Monday morning. Settled on pacing a mate for sub-3. He's gone close multiple times; would be great to help him (not physically) over the line.
SG - I'll definitely drop the distances a bit after the Southern masters, but keep doing hill sessions until end of Jan I reckon as I get near to starting prep for the 3000 in Poland.
Joe - Good luck on the weekend, tell me the marathon season is over for a bit after Valencia. Need some respite before all the bloody London chatter starts all over again
Will use the Liverpool game as a lure to sack a lesser game off with.
Crewe travelodge. Pure glam.
3hours 5 to get here!
3hours 40 til the game but time rushes away amazingly on midweekers.
Im driven by the lure of some harry ramsdens. Can almost taste it.
3k in poland simon. Glamourpuss!
Wool, re the issue of niggles and just running through them by pretending they don't really exist - it's a sound approach for a genuine "niggle", which I'd define as something that is an irritating possibly chronic, injury, that, if ignored, will, if not disappear of its own accord, then will at least not deteriorate to the point where running through it is not an option without seriously risking a complete end to running as an activity! For me, the trick is recognising when something isn't in the category, and will either just get worse or is temporarily at least, just too painful to contemplate running through. It's a fine line sometimes mind!
Double day today with a 6.5 and 5.5 commute job. Thankfully managed to avoid the torrential rain. Not quick on either and a few very minor aches and pains, but felt a bit more zip in the legs, managed to get some response when calling on them to give a bit of speed and most importantly, actually enjoyed both runs!
Have fun in Valencia Joe
What I've discovered in my case, is that the niggles are linked to the presence of scar tissue, which in turn is linked to some former trauma type injury or medical procedure.
Seems it takes a good couple of months to sort out the stuff if managed effectively. Lack of patience simply compounds the damage.
Good job there Bus, it's enjoyment which matters at the end of the day.
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The league is probably as strong a quality as it's been in my days there. Not bad for 15 clubs that are mainly small road racing clubs.
I agree Ric. Some, but not all of my niggles have medically identified reasons behind them, which at least helps in knowing whether running is simply a minor irritant rather than a compounding factor.
Very windy run at lunchtime, whihc gave me a good reason to abandon any sort of speed work. One of those where the wind is in your face in every direction!
Yes I saw JC was 20th in the last Surrey League, which is about right. Would have liked to think I could have nabbed 3rd or somewhere around there in terms of current fitness.
Crappy weather isn't it Bus, weather forecast is so depressing. 10 days of drizzle. Christ.
But I haven't inflicted a new over use injury upon myself in five years. I had a dog whack me from the side, setting off a knee problem a couple of years back, and kneeling down doing a patio didn't help last year.
Scar tissue from the 'Venous Sampling' procedure I had is being dealt with, having woken it up.
After that, the source of nonsense is from impact injuries. Though I'm lucky that crashes on bikes of being mashed playing football aren't part of the list.
Currently just slowly working it (scar tissue) out of the system. There's often a dull ache in the areas being tested. But that's just a repair mechanism in play as the new material gets to it's endurance limit.
After that, I'll speed it up. If I can stand it. I've got used to almost nil effort when running.
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Ric, you've had a lot of spells of high miles, and then seemingly a lot of spells of next to nothing. Is that all down to impact stuff then? Or old scar tissue?