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Running a race and leaving garmin at home

Does anyone on here use a garmin for training but not on race day. I wondered what's it like to run a race and ignore the clock and just run at a pace that feels right? I've got so obsessed with the pressure of PBS and hitting splits and race plans I think I might do this in my next race. Anyone have any experience good or bad? Thanks
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    I had my Garmin on at Edinburgh HM last year but resisted the urge to look at it at all during the race, I went purely on how I felt and managed to knock 10mins off my previous HM time.  Like you I became obsessed with pace and ended up actually running slower because I couldn't just relax and settle into my stride.
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    Caz, not sure I could cope with the urge to have a sneaky look! It's got so bad for me that I'm looking every few hundred metres , which can't be good.
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    Grendel3Grendel3 ✭✭✭

    I use the Garmin to train with but only wear a stop watch for the races - that way I will run as I feel rather than be constanly checking what pace I am running -

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    I do most of my training with a Garmin, but often leave it off for races. I do use a stopwatch though, and keep a check on mile splits. Dealing with the maths (especially the more complicated stuff involved in a 13.1 mile race!) keeps my mind off the pain.
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    If you are used to wearing a Garmin to train with then you should probably stick with it in the race.

    If you have the time then try training without the Garmin for a while and see how good you get at 'feeling' the pace. If you get good at it then that's the time to ditch the Garmin.

    Personally I only use a watch and even then it is just for the tempo run and occasionally the LSR. I can tell what is hard, moderate and easy pace. When I started running I timed every run, but prefer not to now.

     (HR Monitoring could be the exception - where you feel it is hard/ easy, but the monitor says otherwise. I never went down that route but could understand that being a benefit.)

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    MuttleyMuttley ✭✭✭

    I train with a Garmin but stopped taking it to races. It was a distraction, the mile alerts never coincided with the race markers and I found myself watching the Garmin more than I was looking where I was going. That was before I started using Garmin Connect. I have a race this Sunday and come to think of it, I'd like to have it included in my log.

    Hmmm. What I might do is put it in a bumbag if I don't think I can resist the temptation to look at it while running. That way, of course, I can go up to the race director afterwards and tell him "Call that a half marathon? My Garmin says it was 13.2 miles blah blah blah..."

    As for pacing in a race, I know roughly what my hr should be at a given pace and a watch is enough to keep an eye on things.

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    I think after a while, a bit like riding in your car, you know roughly what speed you are going. But you kind of have, to have had the Garmin experience to be in that zone. There are some races where i only look at my Garmin purely to see where in the race i am, since there is not always the distance markers on the hill runs so frequently, and because you are running at naturally a slower pace, there is sometimes little point to see how quick you are going.

    I used to get so obsessive and even wrote times down on my arm for the place where i wanted to be for each mile. I think with Brighton half, the Garmin was useful for two reasons. First the distance got screwed up, and second, i did have a time i wanted to achieve and knew i had to keep below 7.3 to achieve it, so my Garmin was needed.

    I only use a basic Garmin Forerunner 205. It works though. When i have been running a few more years, perhaps realised i have peaked with my running, then i might hang it up for good, but for now, on my wrist it will probably always stay. For better or for worse.

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    I have done it but I use my garmin a lot for heart rate too.  In a race I like to run based on heart rate and know whether I'm starting too fast fast or if my preceived effort is actually as hard/easy as it seems.

     I don't know if you're similar.  It's nice to not be obsessed with splits and just let your body and mind flow into the race....but my heart rate tells me a lot about myself!

    Cheers,

    LM

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    If it is that distracting, just change the display so it only tells you the time. That way you get to focus in the race but still have the option of analysing your data when you get home. Don't make it too complicated!
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    Tricky, how about 3 fields. Av pace, time and distance, then not so much emphasis on each mile split?
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    I don't use GPS in races.  I only use it in training for distance anyway and largely ignore the pace info.  I do run to HR though and I must admit that I'm a bit of a slave to it, checking it quite frequently which is probably just as bad.
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    I used to obsess with my Garmin stats in training and races.  But since returning to running after a serious illness last autumn, I've just left distance on my Garmin and ignored the rest to just get back to simply running again and not put any pressure on myself as I know I will be down on times.  And I've really enjoyed it. 

    In the past I've found myself thinking "um... that's slow, I must be rubbish" or "um.... that's quick, it should be hurting now" and then find it hurts cos I think it should hurt.     I do press the lap button at regular intervals to allow me to look at the data after the run, but not during.  I did my first race like this at the Bath Half and it was interesting that I ran most of the race at my target pace just by feel (and then faded at mile 11 but that wasn't a surprise!).

    I'm definitely considering heading down the HR route now as it seems like a good time for me to try something different - and when I'm back to full fitness it will stop me starting off too quickly. 

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    Dylan - you can look at whatever you want, as long as it helps yo to focus on your running rather than making you lose attention. I don't have a problem with it. I usually have 4 things on my view: lap pace. (auto lap every km), avg pace, HR and distance. For intervals I use a different screen.

    Am running a mara this weekend and will turn off the HR as I used to focus on running to it but I want this time to try and run an aggressive, more risky strategy where I ignore HR and just stick to pace. We'll see what happens.
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    Interesting territory for me now. When I ran my last PB at half marathon in September, I ran a even steady 6.20 per mile. My last race where I blew up last week, 6 months of training later I ran 10k pace for 8 miles and then failed. I guess I should be aiming to run an even 6.10 . I am definitely fitter and stronger than 6 months ago. I really did belief I could take my 10 pace or near into a HM. Over confidence!
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    To add to last post. It's amazing to think a measly 10 to 15 seconds per mile is the difference between failure and success. Can that kind of extra speed really push you into lactate threshold?
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    There are variables on the day too Dylan - course, temp, how well fuelled and watered you are etc.  That's why I find HR to be far more effective than pace as I run to effort rather than a predetermined pace.
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    Badly drawn, do you find the monitor strap uncomfortable when racing?
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    No, I'm used to it now.  I wear it virtually every time I run.  When I stated it took some getting used to and I had to cut off labels to stop rubbing.  But I've never had a real issue with comfort while racing.

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    Badly, when your racing there's too many other pains to think about other than the strap? Lol
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    Lol - good point! image
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    Dylan man wrote (see)
    Interesting territory for me now. When I ran my last PB at half marathon in September, I ran a even steady 6.20 per mile. My last race where I blew up last week, 6 months of training later I ran 10k pace for 8 miles and then failed. I guess I should be aiming to run an even 6.10 . I am definitely fitter and stronger than 6 months ago. I really did belief I could take my 10 pace or near into a HM. Over confidence!

    Am I missing something here? 10k pace is the pace that you can keep up for 10k, no more. Keeping it up for 8 miles would suggest that it's not your 10k pace, and why do that in a HM? You're a lot faster than me but I think you need to look at your race strategies.

    Dylan man wrote (see)
    To add to last post. It's amazing to think a measly 10 to 15 seconds per mile is the difference between failure and success. Can that kind of extra speed really push you into lactate threshold?
    Yes!
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    Chubby, agreed. In my next half I will plan a negative split and keep pace manageable!
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    Dylan - if you've ever seen a Lactate Threshold graph, you will realise it reveals a lot about your ability to run and perform. On the bottom is pace and on the vertical axis, you have increase in lactic Acid concentration in the blood (mmol).

    A bad lactate profile will have a gradual and progressive uplift of the curve.

    A highly trained athlet ewill have an almost flat Lactate profile, so no real difference in energy burnt between recovery jogging speed all the way up to steady running. But then the curve will take a sharp deflection upwards, a sudden increase in lactate. Hang on, I think I made an example graph about this a few years ago. Voila. Hopefully that reveals something to you.

    http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/members/images/345267/Gallery/Lactate_Threshold_curve.jpg

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    Only once turned up for a race (a HM) without my Garmin - after a minor panic attack, realised there was nothing I could do about it, so just lined up and ran how I felt.  Got to the 6 mile point feeling great, asked a fellow competitor what the time was and was amazed to find i'd been running about 30 secs/mile faster than planned.

    Wasn't sure whether to slow down, or just go for it , in the end decided to keep going, and managed to stay with it and come in with a big PB, something I'd never have done if I'd been a slave to my splits.

    Despite that though, I have no intentions of leaving it behind again, I'll just aim higher at the start image

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    Tricky, thanks for graphs and explanation, very interesting. I'm going to do some experimenting with difference paces and distances over the next few weeks and get a decent strategy in place for next half. I have a couple of 10ks booked over may/June but these take less planning and the chances of blowing up are more limited. Hope to get near 36 mins in one of these. Determined to get the half down to 1.20 by end summer and will target either Cardiff or Bristol. I have invested in a HRM for garmin to put a different emphasis on training paces and recoveries as well. The fiasco of Bath last Sunday has really invigorated me and renewed my interest in training techniques and the science.
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    Just RunJust Run ✭✭✭
    Dylan man, after reading your post i decided to try todays run wearing my garmin so i could hear the interval beeps but not once looked at the watch. On getting home and viewing the stats i ran 800m splits of 4:02,3:55, and 3:54. My schedule said 3 x 800m @ 4:06. I ran simply by feel and was amazed at the results. I think i'll try running to feel more often, then maybe i'll have the confidence to run a race like it too.  
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    Just run, great session. I have tried what you did but can't resist a sly glance! Way around it is long sleeves?
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    HellywobsHellywobs ✭✭✭
    Going back to the original question, my aim would be to take my watch so I had a record of the run, but I wouldn't look at it. But it depends if you've got the self-control not to look - I sometimes say I won't look on a training run and nearly always do at least once!
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    I always wear mine and only glance at mile splits but mainly interested in the stats etc after the race on the computer. did a hell run through mud and water etc and didn't wear it for that. didn't miss it in the race at all but as I beat my target time by 4 mins would have liked to have seen the data afterwards.
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