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Blood thinning agent, hmm.
If it carries the same number of red bood cells then: actually probably not a good idea.
If warfarin is part of the mix then running is out of bounds.
I thought the main issue was from sports with an element of risk like cycling in case you have an off and then bleed, and bleed ......
Why the initial question?
Coz I have to go on it next week for 6 weeks to 3 months & I want to stay vaguely fit.
Generally you take Warfarin because of a heart condition or blood clot? Surely this is one for your GP or specialist?
I will check with the anti-coagulation clinic etc before banging out ten miles, but I just kinda wondered if people ran on it and any experiences they had.
It's required pre and post an ablation for AF, and after recovery, I can't wait to throttle up on a couple of 10Ks and a few tris.
Dustboy, with all due respect. In athletic terms your eyes are bigger than your belly.
How anyone can be so driven to engage in an activity to the point it risks killing them is beyond me. Reminds me of a neighbour who was so driven to go skiing that she booked up and went while suffering a slipped disc.
Oh, she's another one who died before her time.
I do think you should probably take it easy until after your procedure Dustboy.
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Why the initial question?
Coz the wife's putting rat poison in his tea?
I assume you realise that AF (atrial fibrillation) is an irregular heart beat. I am thinking that Warfarin is being prescribed to help prevent blood clots before and after the procedure. Blood clots being something that is associated with AF. Many people take Warfarin all the time, people with a raised risk of blood clots.
My thoughts would be that exercise should help with circulation and so would help to prevent blood clots? But an irregular heart beat and exercise? You need to see your GP explain how important exercise is to you and ask what you can reasonably do. There is no point playing Russian roulette with your heart! It is an unforgiving organ! My thoughts would be that a GP would be happy with gentle exercise, but banging out 10 miles? You could be on your own there!
Patience is advised here; good luck with the procedure
I suspect that running while on warfarin is actually OK, but that the question is whether running just before /after an ablation procedure is sensible is more important. The cardiologist would bea better source of advice than the warfarin clinic nurse, I think.
Cardiologist is all for the exercise with AF, but the warfarin will be a new thing for me. Certainly for a month after the procedure it's breakfast in bed and not a lot else. Cheers all.
You take care of yourself Dusty. What about a gentle session on the turbo to begin with to see how you feel? I'd be a bit wary about falling out on the road and bleeding all over the place. I know someone who used to be an anticoagulation specialist nurse so I'll ask her some advice if you want.
I was on warfarin for a PE a few years ago. Was advised running wasn't a good idea due to the possibility of internal bleeding from the jarring not just a fall or cuts.
If your Cardiologist is happy with exercise and AF then happy days! The Warfarin will cause you to bruise more easily. For this reason cycling seems like a better idea?
Interesting point re internal jarring, my cycling stay aboard skills are occasionally spoken of over on the tri forum as being not a lot. I think I may have to revive my swimming!
I'll see what they say on Thursday and report back for info sake.
Yes please Soupy.
I'm on Warfarin for life now and my cardiologist and rehab team had no issues with me running whilst on it. Can't see any reason why they should, either.
However I did have one nasty fall when my shin got caught by a loose manhole cover and got cut very badly and it wasn't fun without any clotting so had to go straight to A&E to get it looked at. Other than that, no probs at all.
Just got back from the anti-coag clinic and they said no problems with swimming, cycling or running but no contact sports. And try not to leak.
Just for info for anyone else reading.
Joe Volcano HAS to be one of the best names on here!
Thanks for keeping me/us informed; I find it slightly rude when people do not bother to give a bit of feed back. Good luck with the procedure
Good news dusty. The lakes have warmed up nicely so see you at one of them soon? Taplow is 19.5 degrees.
Just a boing for info really for anyone else who goes on to warfarin.
Been on it just over a fortnight now and not a lot of difference to anything really. Still ran parkrun this morning after hooning around Richmond Park for 20 odd miles on the bike last night with Soupy and her mate.
I do find I am a bit wiped with it though. And when I got bitten the other night, it continued to bleed after the little fecker got his thing out. Hope the little bastard drowned.
Dusty - you did pretty well round RP the other day and we caned that last lap. But someone correct me if I'm wrong but I dont' think the warfarin is doing anything to help the AF. All its doing is stopping any blood clotting that might collect in the heart from it not being in rhythm to stop you being at risk of a stroke/PE. The ablation you are scheduled for will sort the AF out so you should be a lot better after that.
And I haven't said a thing about the white cycling shorts.
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Why don't you ask if you can go on dabigatran/rivaroxaban or apixaban? All new anti-coag drugs and no blood tests needed. BUT no antidote so don't get run over etc! At least with warfarin in the event of a (highly unlikely) bleed they can give Vit K. It may depend on where you live etc, but worth asking.
Warfarin can make you feel tired - side effects vary from one person to another.
Soup Dragon you are right - warfarin is used to prevent clots in a heart that is underperforming.
good luck with the ablation.
Consultant wants warfarin for the ablation, presumably so it don't clot up and cause a stroke in the 3 hours he's setting fire to the inside of me ticker. 1 week to go hopefully, if the INR is right. He wants stable 2.0 to 3.0, currently at 2.8 after they upped the dose by 25%. Fingers crossed.
As to side effects, tiredness, irritability, sodding headaches & short term memory loss. And a permanent set of ectopic beats since the day after it started. At least I am due to get off it in a few months if all goes well, I feel sorry for the permanent warfarinners.
And I can baely keep up with Soupy now coz she goes mucho rapido.
Hope it goes well Dustboy.
With side effects like the ones you are experiencing it would be great to have the ablation and be off warfarin asap, but some people do use the drugs I mentioned above prior to ablation and also cardioversion.
I'm sure you'll be fine though!
Good luck for Monday Dusty. I'm sure it will go well and I'm looking forward to another Surrey Hills ride when you've recovered later this year.
Cheers Soup & JB. All getting a bit scary now as the reality of tomorrow hits. I know it's "only" a routine thing but nevertheless, I don't fancy it at all.
Hey ho. Fitted in a 22 mile ride Saturday morning, managed to average 17.4 mph (Yay) and a 5 mile run with Lord H this morning. Even took the kids swimming this arvo and slogged out a 400M set (1st time since October I think so a bit sluggish).
Apparently, afterwards, it's at least a week of doing sod all, just TV, DVD's, computers games, books and being waited on hand and foot and no driving.
I'll post up Tuesday hopefully when I am back with my usual cheery positivity and repartee. I am sure that the description of " felt like I had been stamped on my groin by a rugby team weraring golf spikes" is a bit over the top. (Well, I bloody hope it is).
Awaiting the report, will look forward to a ride with the new improved version of DB, just remember that I may still be slow on uphill sections just not quite so slow.
I don't agree with any of those "don't run" ideas-although I might not be absolutely right..I ain't no doctor. But...my wife who used to run with me (until she became too fast and too capable for me to keep up!) had two deep vein thrombosises fairly close together about four years ago and then prescribed warfarin for life. Since then, and on having advice from GP and hospital she has run as previously-doing ultra marathons regularly and including the 350 mile length of Ireland run a year ago. She has no ill effects but if runs are on rough terrain and she falls (rarely) she merely bruises easily and quite horribly! Based on her experience and running 60-80 miles a week I would say" run on"!...unless of course strict medical advice says otherwise