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Finding Beginner Schedule too tough :(

I've been "running" for 3 months now. I have been trying to follow the Beginner's Schedule from this web site, but in all that time, I have only managed to get as far as week 5 - run 8 minutes, walk 2 minutes three times. Yesterday, I tried to move up, but not as far as week 6 (12 min run, 1 min walk three times). I tried an intermediate stage of 10 min run and 2 min walk. Even with this, I crapped out after 2 sets and then could only run for a couple of minutes before having to walk again. It's not the breathing; my legs just get to a point where they will not cooperate any more. I also seem to get slower each week!

I've been sticking to 3 runs a week. I'm not sure I could cope with more, because I get quite achy the day after a run. I swim on two or three of the other days instead, because this seems to help the aches. On those days I also do some exercises that were recommended to me at the gym. I've also tried not doing anything at all, so as to get a complete rest, but this did not help.

I'm getting very discouraged, even to the point of being tearful at times, especially since the intro to the schedule says _anyone_ can get through it in 8 weeks, starting from scratch. What am I doing wrong? Is there some way I can push myself to achieve more and progress better? Or is this something that I have left too late in life to start from scratch? - I'm 50, female, only started exercising seriously last January and currently have about two surplus stone on me, although I have lost 2.5 stone since May and am following the Slimming World system.
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    XBXB ✭✭✭
    Are you running too fast? At this stage your run intervals should not cause you to be completely whacked. The walk should be a pleasant interlude not a necessary recover.

    If you haven't got a Heart Rate Monitor, keep the pace comfortable enough for you to maintain a reasonable conversation. Talk to the trees, lamp-posts and the birds.

    Slow and steady is the way to go. Get a good base on which you can add speed and distance much later on.

    Keep at it, tehuti
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    If you can't do the progression, just keep going at the same as the week before, then try again next week. You'll get there, keep the motivation. Don't let it get you down. I used to not be able to run at all without going purple and nearly passing out. On saturday I'm going for a 20miler. Just keep plodding, it'll come.
    dave
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    Don't panic - it does take longer for some of us.

    There are a range of things which could be impeding your progress, although the obvious are: Are you wearing the right shoes? are you attempting to run too fast?

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    Also, not every schedule will work for everyone. Make sure you don't push yourself too hard, and try another plan if it's not working for you.
    I would be canny about the 'Slimming world plan'. A lot of these weight loss things don't cater for people who exercise, so make sure you are eating enough. And don't worry if your weight loss slows now you are running, it's muscle building up in your legs. Instead look in the mirror and compare with an old picture. You WILL be slimmer and more toned, trust me.
    Keep at it, best of british from me.
    And you're never too old to start
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    JjJj ✭✭✭
    tehuti - don't be disheartened. You're far from being alone in this; I tried for MONTHS before I could even manage week three. Just keep going at your own pace, until it's comfortable. Then once it's comfortable, do it for another week, and then move on to the next week.

    These schedules are only guides, not rules.

    In the words of the wise 2Ts - "just keep plodding, it'll come."
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    It's really hard work at first, if it wasn't everyone would do it! If you're managing to run three times a week and swim three times a week you must be getting much fitter, and you're doing really well with your weight too.

    As XB said, make sure you're not going too fast, the slower you go, the further you'll go, it doesn't matter at this stage if you do one mile in 10 minutes or one in 20 minutes. I've been running since may and I still only train at 13-15 min miles, but I can string quite a few of them together now. I'd recommend using a Heart Rate Monitor if you can get hold of one, see if someone will lend you one to test out. This will force you to run at sensible speeds and help you to increase your distance without getting injured.

    Also if you're dieting hard, you might find you're just too tired to run, slimmming world has different types of foods on different days doesnt' it? Do you find that it's easier to run on red or green days? Or you may need a little extra fuel a couple of hours before your running sessions, maybe a banana or a slice of toast with peanut butter or honey?

    Also, if it's your legs, you might want to look at some leg strenghtening exercises in the gym?

    Good luck, it will get easier, I mean, you can run for 10 minutes without stopping, and that is fantastic.
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    Also, if you're still getting achey, is it worth getting your shoes checked out in a specialist running shop?
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    Thanks for your replies. I'm not running fast at all. I've been able to measure the distance covered, and overall I come out at 12-13 minutes per mile. Yes, Xavier, 8-10 minutes of this does leave me whacked and the 2-min walking is a VERY necessary recover. However, I can't really go much slower without dropping to all walking. Incidentally, I'm reasonably OK with walking - I did about 12 miles in the Scottish Highlands a couple of weeks ago.

    My shoes were recommended to me by the Derby Runner shop some years back (that's another story and a demon from the past!!!), but only have about 60 miles total on them. I did email Slimming World for advice on how to combine their system with running, but received no reply. My local consultant thinks exercise is a waste of time, so there is no point asking her.

    I would love to run occasionally with someone similar so as to be in a situation of mutual support and encouragement. However, I've been told that before I can join my local club I need to be able to cover 2-3 miles comfortably even to fit in with the non-competitive ladies! At the moment this seems unachievable.
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    NessieNessie ✭✭✭
    I think there may be something in the fact that you are dieting at the same time. Your body need certain nutrients/foods to help repair itself after the bashing you are giving it. You also need fuel to keep your engine going.

    Can you post a typical day's eating, to give an idea of what you are taking in. The fact that you can walk fine suggests that your body is ok at using fat as fuel, but may be low on glycogen for the running. Just a thought.

    Where abouts in the Highlands were you? As you may spot from my nickname, I'm a local.....
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    I lost on the slimming world system until i started exercising. Then i lost no more for weeks despite my clothes fitting better ( and dropping two dress sizes)
    I gave the slimming world up after a bit and just tried to eat healthily while doing exercise.
    Have you tried swimming and maybe some fitness classes in your training? I found a huge improvement in my fitness from cross training
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    Sam.Sam. ✭✭✭
    Tehuti

    Sorry to hear you're having a tough time. I agree with Nessie about the diet - maybe you just don't have enough energy to keep you going. Are you actually still dropping weight? If so how much per week?
    When my hubbie was on a strict calorie controlled diet he found exercise almost impossible and had to slightly increase his calorie intake.
    Also, are you drinking enough throughout the day before you run as being dehydrated can make running a nightmare.

    Stick at it, it will get easier and be worth it in the end. It will change your body shape in ways that losing weight alone cannot do.

    Best wishes

    Sam
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    If your local consultant says exercise is a waste of time, she shouldn't be doing that job.
    I look at it this way, you can work on losing weight, or you can work on improving your performance, and eat well because it makes you fitter and healthier. You can also eat more volume wise. I follow the 2nd option, feel great, have lost fat (not weight) and improvewd my distances like crazy. It does sound to me rather like you have just run out of fuel. You need 100cal per mile for running. Bonking is no fun, and makes you feel like crud. Make sure you eat enough!!
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    I support what everyone has said on here. I'm also VERY concerned about a diet consultant who thinks exercise is a waste of time. Just what kind of advice is she giving people?

    tehuti - stick with it if you enjoy it. It will get easier.

    Best of luck

    Floosie
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    I will compose a diet plan to anyone who wants one, or an exercise plan for that matter. If you want one, just email me. I will be happy to help. I may not have a degree in this kind of stuff, but I make one hell of a boring sod when I talk about it. Therefore I must be knowledgeable
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    Hi Nessie,

    We stayed first in Fort William. We walked from Kinlochleven along the W. Highland Way to the point where you overlook Glen Coe and then back again, about 6 miles each way according to the map - I would have gone further alone, but my partner does not exercise at all and this was more than enough for him. After this, we drove to spend another night in Inverary, with the obligatory stop en route to eat and shop at the Inverawe Smokery (drool!)

    My last two days eating - Green focuses on carbos, and Original on protein, and it is recommended to alternate them for best results. I'm an omnivore, but use soya milk instead of dairy to help with the approach to "that" time of life.

    Monday (Green)
    Breakfast - 42gr WeightWatchers cereal and 125 ml soya milk.
    Lunch - can of chick peas with salad veg
    Snack - Muller Light yogurt and banana
    Dinner - 6 Quorn balls and half pack of Batchelor Pasta n Sauce made up with 125 ml soya milk
    Snack - pear, apple, peach
    Snack - pack of Ryvita minis
    Sins - 1 Elizabeth Shaw mint crisp

    Tuesday (Original)
    Breakfast - banana with low fat yogurt and 28gr crunchy oat ceral on top
    Lunch - Muller light yogurt, apple, grapes
    Dinner - casserole with about 180gr beef plus carrots, leeks, swedes, onions and 190gr new potatoes.
    Snack - quarter melon, nectarine
    Sins - gravy powder/tomato puree in casserole
    - single measure of Laphroig

    My weight loss has slowed a lot since I first started, which I did expect. Eating as above, I'm losing 0.5-1 pound per week. If I try to up the quantity even a little, I either stand still or put on again.
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    Laphroig - a person of class. Truly one of the finest whiskeys
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    Oh yes, and I do find trying to drink a lot of water extremely difficult!!! I drink about 500 ml after exercise, but only manage about 2 more glasses on top of that. I'm aware I should drink more, but even when I'm thirsty I find it difficult to drink in quantity.
    Hmmm, I used to be able to drink booze in quantity, but I gave that up :/
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    Tehuti - can't add a lot to what's already been said but just wanted to say don't give up, keep on plodding, repeat the same week's schedule oodles of times if necessary and you will improve.

    I'm no expert (far from it) but from your daily food details, I wonder if you're eating enough carbohydrate? Maybe someone with more nutritional knowledge could advise.

    Re the water - can you keep a bottle beside you at work? I keep one on my desk and find I sip at it all day just cos it's there. Or you could try some of the flavoured waters. I know 'real' water is supposed to be best at hydrating but the flavoured stuff would be better than nothing.

    Anyway, best of luck. Let us know how you get on.
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    Tehuti
    We've all been there - so don't give up. This may seem sacrilegious, but I used the following plan before I became acquainted with RW. You could maybe try some of it for variety.
    http://www.runningplanet.com/articles/article_detail.asp?article_id=340

    You will get there. I ran my first 5 miles yesterday. This time last year I couldn't run for 30 seconds.
    Good luck.
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    NessieNessie ✭✭✭
    Doing a rough calculation, that seems to be around 1200 calories a day, give or take. That may be what is causing your lack of energy, as you will be using those calories just for "existing".

    Do you run before or after your evening meal? I doubt I could run half a mile if all I'd eaten all day was a banana/yoghurt/cereal breakfast and a yoghurt and fruit for lunch.
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    NessieNessie ✭✭✭
    As Jill says, "water" doesn't need to be plain water. Add a little squash or try the flavoured waters as she suggests.
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    For water read fluids - if you eat soup this counts. Obviously water is healthier than coke though.
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    Nessie, my timetable is a bit peculiar, more like a night-shift worker I guess. I work mainly as a freelance medical translator and work often arrives with an overnight deadline, sometimes not being notified to me until afternoon. This means that some days I have to work through the night until 3-4am or even until mid-morning if I've been landed with a tough document dealing with less familiar topics. When I do have to work late I then sleep for 3-8 hours (unless a client call wakes me), so "breakfast" can happen any time between 10.30 and 2pm, "lunch" at about 3-4 pm. Dinner, if I cook for my partner as well will be somewhere between 8 and 9.30 pm, but if I am eating on my own can happen any time up to midnight. Since this happens so frequently, my timetable has shifted so that I am rarely up before 10am and rarely in bed before 1-2 am.

    Running and other activities fit around the work. I tend to run some time between 2pm and 6pm (am scared to be out alone later), while gym visits tend to be 8-9pm once the pool has become child-free. I specifically restricted yesterday's "lunch" to yogurt and fruit because I knew I would go out to run an hour or so later and therefore thought it inappropriate to have anything more substantial.
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    Pixie, you have mail

    Tehuti, what did you eat on the run/when you got back?
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    Hi 2T, I didn't eat while running - I was only out for 30 minutes. I had the beef casserole about 90 minutes after getting back.
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    Hmmm, I would suggest energy drink on the run (don't need too much, try half a bottle of lucozade sport with half a bottle of water in it.)
    Or add a banana right before you start running.
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    NessieNessie ✭✭✭
    Jeepers - no wonder you are knackered!

    I think it sort of boils down to probably not eating enough to really progress your running, and your unusual hours don't help.

    It may come down to a choice between sticking to the diet and accepting that your running will take longer to improve, or eating more and focussing your eating patterns around your running if you want to improve.
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    Tehuti

    Keep going. It will get better!!

    One thought, after reading your thread.. You say that you have proper running shoes without many miles on the clock which you bought several years ago? (Sorry if I've misunderstood).

    If your shoes are old and you've lost/gained/lost weight over this time perhaps your biomechanics have changed. P'raps a trip to the running shop to confirm your shoes are still right for you would also help?

    I'm sure the diet thing is the main cause of your woes, though.

    Good luck and WELL DONE !

    BL
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    Tehuti,

    I also started running on a run/walk program, and also needed to repeat the earlier weeks several times. I think perhaps my body needed that extra time to get used to the idea of running. I know it can be frustrating to not seem to be improving but you are getting stronger, and you will get better, honestly. Don't give up now.

    I agree with the others that you need to eat a little more though... perhaps you could try having a banana as soon as you finish your run so your body has some energy readily available to replenish?

    Good luck.
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