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What does it take to make a fast runner

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    How about dancing as an alternative?
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    Pammie*Pammie* ✭✭✭
    it ain't what you do, its the way that you do it. That's what gets results














    (sorry) in a funny mood tonight
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    ooh noooo
    Not this thread
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    Pammie*Pammie* ✭✭✭
    sorry hipps
    strange mood tonight
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    Not always - all the sheer hard work in the world won't cut it unless you were born with the talent!

    The rest of us just do the best we can and enjoy ourselves.
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    Hum Hum who boinged my thread...............



    Pammie?
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    Pammie*Pammie* ✭✭✭
    <<<<pammie sings merrily to herself>>>>

    Who me?
    <<<shrugs shoulders>>>>
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    So has anyone tried the 0-100 mpw in the lasat 8 weeks?
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    One day im going to


    then you will see






































    that im still crap




    bet i dont getinjured tho
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    Patience is a virtue.
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    kicks thread into touch
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    But bazza
    i am VERY patient


    Folds arms on ample gut and awaits pbs
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    planning to try it at some point when i get to Uni but probably best to leave 100 mile weeks alone for the moment :(
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    Chucks thread back in at line out.
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    boings thread for I will do it
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    Good read, Vednerable, did anyone take up the challenge?
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    I think if I had wings or a motor I might manage to be faster?
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    I'm having a go at this, i'm just completing week 5 @ 56 miles.

    interestinly i ran 13 miles in 1hr 28 today when my half marathon pb is 1hr 30 dead.

    I'm coming from a starting base of 20-30 mpw average, been running for 2 years and have run over 20m only twice.

    so far, at the moment I feel fine, i've learnt to run a bit more relaxed and glide a bit better. the only mistake i've made is playing football hard for 2 hrs a couple of weeks ago and not being able to run for 4 days after ! (could barely walk :)

    the biggest issue I am having is finding the time to do the milage, fitting it around work and other commitments.

    I'll let you know if I get to 100mpw without getting injured :)

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    struds
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    oh and to add, i'm 28, weigh about 11 stone and 6ft tall.

    my race pb's are:

    10k 39:10
    half-mara: 1:30:00
    20m: 2hrs 31 mins

    I'm hopefully !! planning to follow a full lydiard program (abeit the minimum base building length and shaving off a week or 2 during the later phases) and build up to probably the leciester marathon and some 10k's at the end of the year.

    If I manage to keep to it the sheer fact my milage will be much higher and i will be following a proper training program must increase my performance.

    the question is by how much ?
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    Stevie  GStevie G ✭✭✭✭
    nice work Struds, keep us informed.

    You sound like an absolute nutter though!

    I remember this thread! i considered the 9 week build up..then remember someone else pointing out Lydiard said nothing of the sort and it was just an "In theory" type thing, and any test involved some world class athletes he was linked with!!

    I'd like to be a regular 40miles a weeker in time. The most in a week I've evr done was 39, and the average was 25 in the 3months build up to my half marathon pb a year ago. I reckon a regular 40milesa week would eek out any last potentiasl. Not sure the old body was made for taking that kind of stress though
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    it's strange, when i've tried to increase the milage before i've really struggled when i get to 35+ and feel i'm getting injured, sore muscles, slight pulls etc then backed off as everyone advises to ascend slowly over time.

    sometimes I think you just need someone to tell you it IS possible, and just to run nice and relaxed etc and not worry too much if you feel sore.

    at 45 mpw i felt s**t, I had 2 muscles i felt were pulled and at one point had a 7m run the next day I just felt if I tried it i would just end up injured.

    anyway, I iced and gently stretched before and after. Over the next three days I seemed to run through the problems and the week after (this week) i'm feeling as strong as I ever have.

    Just did a 6 miler in 40 mins cruising along like it was a breeze, depite doing a hardish 14m yesterday. legs feel fresh !

    its like i've run through a barrier and my body has just gone, sod it, ok then lets do it :)

    I'll probably get injured next week after saying this :) and i'm sure the 70m+ weeks are going to be a another test/step to get through.

    anyway i'll post back in a couple of weeks with how its going !
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    Stevie  GStevie G ✭✭✭✭
    i gotta stop reading this..i'm only going to get encouraged!!
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    nrg-bnrg-b ✭✭✭
    A lot of the points raised here are covered in the book "Running with Lydiard" - a book worth reading many times over.
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    I think I'll grab a copy of that book.

    update:

    just completed the 66 mile week.

    feel like sh**t :)

    fastest run was 8 miles @ 7:30 all other runs i've crawled round @ about 8:30 pace.

    no injuries, legs feel ok, just very very tired. struggling to find time to do the runs this week. At one point I had a choice of eating, or a 9m run, in the end had to grab a burger king then go for the run :)

    another time I completed a 15 mile run at midnight.

    I should have more time to manage things next week as less pressure from work so expect it to be a bit easier.


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    Stevie  GStevie G ✭✭✭✭
    you gotta quit work struds!!

    are you gonna do this properly or noT!
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    yeah, thought i'd better update, it kinda went off the rails as I couldn't find time to actually do the mileage.

    I dropped down to 50/60 mpw, but last week covered 78 miles. the last run was 8 miles @ sub 7 min/mile pace despite doing a 20 mile run the previous day and felt really strong and easy.

    I'm just going to try and hold the mileage as close to 70 mpw as possible, this week i'm off to silverstone so i'm going to be lucky to cover 40, but should come back with 80m the week after.

    my actual weekly mileage since I started this has been:

    Week1 31
    Week2 40
    Week3 56
    Week4 60
    Week5 66
    Week6 58
    Week7 48
    Week8 78

    bearing in mind I was averaging 20mpw before I started.

    also in week 6 and 7 I covered that mileage in 4 or 5 days, then was unable to run despite being perfectly fine because I was out of the country !

    my conclusions so far, theres no reason why I couldn't be doing 100mpw if I wasn't working, I've had no injuries, and worse i've felt is tiredness, probably due to poorly managed diet.

    Oh, I did get burning pains in my stomach recently, but diagnosed it as lack of magnesium in stomach which apparently is common deficiency when training hard, took some supplements and the pain vanished over night.

    I still have another 6 or 7 weeks of this base building stage, hopefully I'll get at least one 100 mile week in :)

    One thing I've learnt so far is that 100mpw is easily within the bodies capabilities, in fact theres some monks that run a marathon a day, every day for 7 years !!

    http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/6/6_1/272.shtml

    Also, from a reasonable base fitness you can ascend mileage very quickly as long as you don't push yourself to run fast.

    In about 3 months time i'll report back and let you know how/if my race times have improved !



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    Struds, thanks for the update. you seem to be doing well. Ok running at midnight might not be such a good idea, but at least burger king will be shut then!!
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