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That because of Phillip's profound difficulties, i have trouble getting an account for him
i don't know were to help you , i'm stuck
I'm a teacher and sports shop assistant (don't ask - long story) and Mr K2 is an accountant so would be able to at least point us in the right direction for advice. I live in Bristol.
I'm happy to set it up but would need another (independent) signatory for cheques we sent to MnP. I could ask either the Head of an independent school or several police officers if they'd be willing. I do feel that they should not have too close connections to me (police would probably be running club mates but not family, etc). This would, obviously, only be for cheques sent to Biastai (for the Gift Aid side) of things or to Mick.
I believe that setting up a charity is a complicated business - lots of forms to fill in, etc - so it might be better to leave it as a "good cause" for the time being.
The account wouldn't be in Phil's name but held on his behalf so there shouldn't be a problem.
Money raised or donated would go into this account via whoever was looking after it and they'd keep people informed of total from time to time.
When there was enough to buy the chair, you'd order it and when it was ready the account holders would both sign the cheque and send it off to the wheel-chair maker.
Then I would watch you two disappearing over the horizon the next time we were both in a race! Nothing new there then.
:-)
Having set up charities, I can agree that it is very involved and takes a great deal of time and effort.
I think we should agree that it is something that we can do in the future, if we felt the need to do so. We need to get the chair first!
The best option would be a building society, or savings account.
Would Mr K2 be happy to hold the account, or money, in an official/professional capacity as an accountant? This would then satisfy most people I think! Even if he had to make a nominal charge.
Mick,
For the chair, let someone set up a place to put the money.
I could probably find an accountant willing to do it if you like, though I'm ok with book-keeping (used to have my own business).
No problem! Had to ask though :-)
Just seeing if I can do links:
<a target='_new' href="http://www.micknphil-marathonlads.co.uk/">entry form
really looking forward to meeting you two at abingdon, I hope you'll wait for me to finish lol!!! be around two days or so
just a thought.
iii will tyepe it up agaaaiin in a few day s if its totoo mesmsy
AM NOOT DRUNK buttt sorooyy about the typing...
im a trutrstee of a very small chariaty
geteting registered toook us abouut a yr
it would be mooore diffficlt for you toj gegt regriiinstered isf yoou doooont live closoe enough to siign fooorms except through the pppost
but is wroth 28p in the £, so mjmaybe £600 of totllal on chhhair
deppend s fi youu have anyoone whoo s's wililnng toooo ooorggganiise it 9(sorrry i cannt).
being regiestered alsloo has advanitages iin that tehn you can appaply for mooney froom more soureces eg soooome grrnat makming trustts ,,, and somethiiimies oorganisiations like rooootary wiilll be l ess willing or not able to support non-charaiites (especiiially as M&P arrrrrent ' local' to many forumiites))0
settting up a joint-signaatory bannk accccoujn t was more difiiicult for ous iin many way s than regiiistereing aas a charilty beciause of th e abakning lawes oon ID - youu neede lot s of ID - i couldnt ebe a signiaatooory beacause as a studfent renting a house with seeverall different postal adderesess then i jsuut didnt have enouggh ID. btu it would proprobalay bee eaisier for ''proporer grow n-ups'1!
(i amm veruy soory for my memssy tyoping - am on meds thaaant ahve mda ee dysppraxia wroooooose for a bitii
(my ccccaharity www.friendsofantarauk.org foro the currrroious ;:)
'Discretionary trusts are used by families to make long-term financial provision for sons and daughters. The key point about a discretionary trust is that funds or property put into the trust do not count as assets for the purposes of benefits or in terms of the responsibility of the local authority or health authority to fund care. This is because the funds put into a discretionary trust do not belong to the beneficiaries but to the trust.'
Also you will need to be careful about how the account is set up as there are ceilings on savings that can affect benefits, (but not if it is trust!!)
Sorry to be serious but it would be terrible if for the want of helping Phillip to have a new chair and more equipment etc it caused problems elsewhere!
Anyway you can count on me to help if its of any use.
Any money will not be held in Phil's name, but rather by two, or more people who would be ex-officio trustees.
If all the people involved want to start a charity, then that needs to wait until after we get the chair. Otherwise we would be waiting a long time to get it.
I've added a link on Fetcheveryone to point to this thread, and to Mick and Phils website (thanks Number Eight for the heads up). If I can be of any web help, let me know - or if there's a fundraising URL, let me know and I'll make sure we feature plenty of links to it.
Just as a thought, has anyone thought about justgiving, to see if they would be willing to collect online funds (and if they wouldn't do it for free, whether it would be worth paying the fee to help with the fundraising).
Cheers All,
Fetch.
Just re-read my e-mail. Sorry if it sounds a bit cold at the end there.
Tired and fatigued......
<<<Thud yet again>>>
Obviously :}
I would definitely be happy to run abingdon to raise money, will email you biastai for info.
GingerLoon - We want to buy Phil a light weight, made to measure chair.
Biasti Acram and everyone
i am waiting for an e mail from
www. Getting disabled kids going.co.uk
They are going to have a link put to our web site with bank account etc
and any cheques can go straight to them
they are going to measure phillip for special wheelchair , but one i Dad control
This is only in brief at the moment
All i know is that a account link should be in operation on Mick n phil within 48 hours
I'll keep you posted
They say , this will over come all your problems,
And lets not forget , you all have your personal lives as well to see to
BLESS YOU ALL
Love Phil xxxxxxx Old man mick
soo supppppese 3 moooooonnths to raiese 2500 - costs usus £185
weee deciiiiiided not oto use jg ebbbbbbbcause of thiis.
btut miiiigjht asssssave aaallllot of haasle given you can t aall memtm t up
seeeeeeeeemm to remeemmebr finidng soemwhree cheaper b ut caanat rememmber wheeeere willll lookkkkkkk
sounfds likle wont nened a jg sitee
ththis sii all working outo well!!!1
sooroyr about tyoiping
noot sure if ican raead itt ::)
Brill news Mick, I guess Phillip will be realy excited about his new chair. How long will it take to be finished if this plan goes ahead??
Are they set up so that you can get back the tax on donations as well?
If they are not, then please let me know and we could use them and still use our registered charity as well to get back the tax. This will add a third to all that is raised.
Problem solved!