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I did have a chat with my club mate Shirley - she has just had a knee op and is getting back to walking ATM. The frustrating thing is that even with that modest exercise she can sense the fibro more than when she was totally benched. She did cut out most wheat, dairy & sugar which helped but like you describes fibro as a wretched and frustrating condition to have. She's run loads of marathons but is unsure about any more given the time for knee recovery and the fibro.
You did have a decent run at Manchester - were you doing anything different then or was it just a matter of winging it and all going well on the day? Might be worth trying another race in the 'right' shoes and see if that helps.
TR.. well done to your friend, Saturday was stifling up here.
Rest day apart from a 5m walk to get some air. A very wet day here so didn't fancy the bike. Tomorrow looks much better.
A rainy 6m inc 2m a 6.58 this morning. The faster section was in a housing estate which is still under construction, possibly cos of substances spilled, I slipped a few times in the wet and have wrenched the back of my knee (possibly from the slips), so I'm icing it at times. Typical taper chondria.
TT - After your recent experience- which i think is a good performance nonetheless, considering a training run and an imperfect lead-up - I can see why your thinking that. Hopefully a week or 2 will encourage you to reconsider, your too good a marathon runner.
10m earlier with 5 @ 6.55 mm. My knee is a bit sore (what are we all like
Thank you (and your clubmate) for that; I really appreciate it! The answer to Manchester has overlaps with what your clubmate describes actually - I was eating primarily keto then. Training wise I was doing Lydiard stuff, but the 'further down the line' stuff, not the early base building stuff. That is what my body cannot handle at the moment, hence the decision to not 'whip myself into shape'.
TR - oh crap! Fingers crossed for your knee! How is it feeling this morning?
As it happens we're thinking along similar lines, but rather than pay for race entries my plan is to start using Wednesday track to do large MP reps to train my body to get used to the effort. Ideally it will be something like 3 x 5km, 2 x 8km, or maybe 13km continuous initially. In a controlled environment it should be easier to work out if it's a problem in a specific body area, or if it's a general fibro reaction.
And blimey, that is a lot of races!!!!
OO - you're too kind, thank you. I've had enough of the pain/performance disparity, but at the same time I'm looking at things with a view to fixing them rather than throwing in the towel. Who knows, maybe this is what actually finally makes me train, and do the 'right things' consistently?
Easy on that knee!
I've taken 2 days with no running on the table to think about things. I'm frustratingly DOMS free because the back/hamstring problems prevented me from pushing, but took the track race in London off the table for tonight as I've not got the motivation for it after Sunday (lots of travelling for a late race with not much in the way of competition in the field - it looks like I'd get a category medal just for finishing).
The HM I was supposed to be doing on the 24th is now a no-go also as I've been roped into working that weekend; what is the saying about the best laid of plans? Lol.
Ultimately I think my approach has to be to try replicate the marathon in its various guises, so I'll have to modulate my days more - basically some bigger days (with some efforts in some) with smaller ones as recovery.
TT - I'd still consider a monthly 1/2 done at mp, as it brings in race day routines and pressures which training doesnt.
Bike commute both ways today, there was no chance of being able to run today. Add it to the list of ways to hurt yourself in taper week, although i don't know what I've done, inside and rear of my knee isnt happy so I'm assuming ive twisted it somehow.
TT.. if you still plan to come to York let me know and I'll recommend some local attractions. I did investigate changing from the 26.2 to the 10m on the day but not possible after early August.
Massage done today, the affected muscle was like a golf ball so needed freeing up. Elbows and fingers were used, a bit painful at times. However it has freed things up so progress made. A bit sore ATM but will let it settle and see how it goes.
32m on the bike this morning, pleasantly sunny unlike yesterday!
Wardi - yes please. Dog friendly places would be great. Thank you
A decent morning so added a few loops on to log 40m on the bike. The hamstring does feel more loose and comfortable now so I might well do a test run soon.
TR - Your spot on there, hope the knee is starting to recover?
TT - certainly a few things to think about going forward. Good there's no DOMs, another positive sign I'd say.
Ran 6m on the field last night and aiming for the same tonight but a few hours in the car and a day sitting uncomfortably in a work conference took care of that and made/ kept my knee sore so thought a rest would be better than a tired run on it. Will try a 4m fast tomorrow. 🤞
Good to see you dropping in Al P, best of luck with the London build up when it starts. The course record went at York Parkrun last weekend, it had stood for about 7 years. A lad about 20 years old from the City of York club clocked an impressive 14.34.
31m on the bike today, decent weather again. I'm tempted to try a test run this weekend, it will be my first run in 4 weeks so might be a rusty affair!
Good luck on your running return Wardi. £2.40!! Bargain.
How are you feeling now TT?
The 4 fast became 8m with 3 @ mp. Still a slightly sore knee but didn't feel it on the run. Decided not to enter the Boston marathon after all, just too far to run a race, and there's lots in the UK and Europe (Rome & Athens foremost) I want to tick off on my ever increasing marathon wishlist. 15m on the bike earlier maybe a 4m after the 🏉.
OO - doms never showed up. Some muscular fatigue, but nothing major. Take it easy with that knee.
Will read back and comment properly on Monday - took this week as my down week and resetting to start a full Lydiard schedule/principles from Monday. Did run 10/3 yesterday, and 10 this morning, but have put my time towards finishing my coaching certification paperwork and getting the last of the trees down. Both should be done by tomorrow.
Have a good weekend all.
TT. . excellent work with the tree surgery and managing to squeeze a couple of decent runs in.
The run test wasn't a total success. Better than 2-3 weeks ago but still not comfortable so will have to stick to the cycling for a while. Frustrating but cant be rushed. So 4m run + 21m on the bike today.
Wardi - Some progress. Good its better than a few weeks ago.
TR - How's the knee today?
I jacked in yesterday evenings tun after a few hundred metres has the knee and the ball of my right foot were aching too much. So slightly apprehensive approaching today's run which needed to be a tempo run of a decent mileage.
Pleased to say after a bit of knee pain in the warmup put it to the back of my mind and after the 2m warmup, rattled off in the driving rain 11.5m @ 6.35 mm with a reasonably low HR compated to other runs to bring up 40m for the week bit lower than ideal but some ok runs completed. Quite relieved so will keep on icing my knee and foot, a few easy runs on a neighbouring field and a 5m tempo next weekend. Then race week.
Wardi - sorry to read the test run was unsuccessful, but at least there has been improvement so that's something!
Al_P - good to see you popping in. There was definitely a more professional setup to the race, but very much an 'in it for the money' vibe - I was particularly disappointed to see that not even the top 3 got a prize presentation on the day. Apparently all prizes (undeclared what they actually are) are sent out later. Like you I preferred the old setup (and only entered as I naively assumed it was still the same race).
TR - shame it didn't work out for you yesterday as it looked like you'd have had some company.
The 20 was a more controlled and steady race with 10 steady and 10 MRP effort. That was actually 2 mins faster than last year so in decent-ish shape I think.
Chapeau for reading back SJ - good brain training for the marathoner! Chapeau too as those are very impressive times for the half and for the 20 race and your running of these seems spot on too. As you've time to recover, the body can cope with the odd kamikaze run. I'd be interested on your thoughts of the Amsterdam marathon as its on my long list.
Despite last week being a bite light on miles, 17 of those 40 miles were 6.50 mm or better, so perhaps not such a bad week after all. Aching all over today mind.
OO.. some good quality miles in last week's mileage, those aches are well deserved. 🙂
BTW there's a few of my club's fast crew who are off to Valencia in early Dec, they are badgering me for race and local info!
TT.. our next door neighbour has a wood burning stove and takes all our waste wood. Our old hall floor, wood glazing frames, doors, etc. Better than taking it to the tip I suppose.
Almost beat the rain on the bike this morning. Showers/rain were forecast by lunchtime so I set off in the sun and just got a bit of a wetting in the last 3m. Quite windy too, total distance covered was a poetic 26.2m.
OO - you sound like you are creaking. I had only been thinking how good my body was in general (due to the s and c etc ?)..........
TT - NF is more of an events company now, with the camping and music etc they gave me a free entry for the next year as an AG winner of the HM.
Wardi - shame the test run was more positive, 4 weeks is going to take some returning from.
Was on the turbo at the weekend which was fine. Test run today after a week off, some stiffness and soreness but mostly soft tissue/tendons. Hopefully some icing, exercises and massage gun will allow me to ease back into it.
I have been self massaging and stretching the affected muscle in the last few days. It's the outside hamstring muscle just above the back of the knee.
I did hop on the treadmill today (very wet and windy out there). 4.2m done, much less bothersome than Saturday so hopefully on the mend. I will keep it short and steady for now.
Like you I've had/have my black dog days. And like you say it's important to talk, even if it's not easy. I like the Irish phrasing for it - Tá brón orm - it translates as 'sadness is on me', which sounds much better than 'I am sad'. It basically reminds you that it's only temporary and not who you are (it's on you, not who you are).
LS21 - on that note, if you're lurking, I hope things are continuing to pick up for you (and if they're not then I'm sending hugs).
Wardi - no need for dog friendly venues (or venues at all now), but thank you. It turns out we could still get a refund so we're taking ourselves off for some Cornish seaside for a few days instead. A wood burning stove would be useful right now - high energy prices and a huge stockpile of wood!
TR - take your time. Better an extra day or two than coming back too soon.
OO - that's a good proportion of quicker stuff in there.
I see Richmond made the news. Not much to report here. Started back to it yesterday (the less said about Monday the better) looking towards Seville. 8 weeks of basic conditioning. 8 easy/4 jog yesterday. Plus 10 minutes of yoga for my back and hamstrings (I finally done something; lol).
A couple of years ago Jet2 cancelled our flight from Leeds to Barca. They offered a Manchester departure & return on the same dates but this didn't appeal. They did refund us without any fuss.
I did manage another 4m run today, I will now rest the running legs for a while. A return to the bike beckons tomorrow now the worst of the weather seems to have blown over.
Track last night. Almost more like a swim than a run as it was biblical. My plan for track during base is to do long reps at Mara effort. I figure it will give me an indication if the remedial work on my back and hamstrings is having an effect, whilst getting in a lighter (in terms of speed) workout that will just make me stronger.
I'd ideally wanted 2 x 5km last night as a starter, but at the start of the second lap on the second rep that all too familiar feeling hit my back/hamstrings again. I could feel the power instantly drain from my legs. Kept going until 3km as I figure part of getting past it is to just keep going to try prod a reaction/adaptation.
End results were 19:14 and 11:30 for the reps, and a target of 5.4km to beat next week before things go pop.
Wardi - Pleased to read the latest 4m runs are going OK.
TT - That's a very decent first 5K but was the second 5K your body telling you its too soon for that session after the NF marathon? If you want rain, Cornwall is the right place to be headed, though the weather markedly improves from this weekend.
Have done a few varied pace 5m runs this weekend, all rather boringly around an adjacent field of around 700 metres principally as its soft and the grass recently cut. In other news, decided not to do the Pisa marathon now in December as logistically too difficult - but seeing as it was my daughters and her partners HM debut - will run the Alicante HM with them in February and fortunately one of the 2 overseas airports you can get to from Newquay! Good news for the Barnstaple marathon in 10 days turn, a mate is also running it and as he ran 2.51 @ London in April should be able to run around with him for most/ all of it, though disturbingly he has got faster of late.
TT.. as OO said maybe a bit too soon after NF for that session but you did get through most of it. I do hope your back & hamstring problems improve.
My right lower hamstring seems to have come out in sympathy with the left one now! Running is manageable but not entirely comfortable and pace is slower than pre injury. I'll keep up the massage, stretching etc and see how it goes. I returned to the bike today as the sun was out, 31m done.
I've just seen the new Barca marathon course for 2024 - quite a dramatic re-route. The start is now near Placa de Catalunya and finishes near the Arc de Triomphe. It is described as hugging the centre more closely and flatter/ faster.
TR - I am looking at all marginal gains to reduce the impact on my body of the training and just ordered a pair of Nike Invincible 3 ZoomX, a mere £87.50 on Pro-Direct if you order the grey colourway, £175 for anyother colour! Buy via the App and you get free postage and you might get 10% off first order.
5m yesterday with 3m tempo @ 6.23 so that was encouraging, especially as running on a wet slippy grassy field with plenty of turns and twists. 4m easy run this morning with the pooch, along the coastal path from Polzeath to Daymer Bay and back, glorious, sunny, blue skies, big waves/ surf.