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Can't sleep after a run

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    much sympathy. insomnia is horrid.

    on top of all the great comments above, I have been told the following by insomnia specialists

    - avoid exercise at least 3 hours before bed
    - ditto heavy food
    - no caffeine from about 3pm onwards (if you have a problem with sleeping)
    - if you can't sleep, get out of bed. go and do something not too stimulating mentally or physically (eg reading a book) in another room until you feel sleepy and then go back to bed.
    - your bedroom should be about sleep (within reason :o) ) so no reading, working, watching TV in bed. you need to train your brain that your bedroom is for sleep.
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    I have had previous problems sleeping, the best thing i found to help me sleep was a small amount of lavender oil on your pillow before going to bed, it helps you to relax.
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    Did anyone mention getting some kids?
    I've predominantly trained at nights and only ever get anything bordering on insomnia the night before a race when I inevitably wake up every 5 minutes thinking I've overslept.
    I sympathise with the insomniacs, but am someone who always feels could do with another couple of hours kip at least, and the running exacerbates this. I have recently had problems getting back from a race cos I was so tired I could hardly stay awake to drive home. I really need to end this here as even talking about sleep does it for me - sorry.
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    A nice single malt is the answer.

    In moderation of course.
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    I have this problems too. It's horrible. I find if you have a bath rather than shower and try to eat as soon after your run as possible it can help. I also think it could be a routine thing. Could you possible get up early and go for a run instead?
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    If you can't sleep after a run try to lie on the very edge of your bed.

    You'll soon drop off!!





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    Lumbertubs is quite right about the night before a race regardless of how many times I've raced I always think I'll sleep over.

    I run early evening - 5pm - so after tea and watching TV I'm ready for an early night . I prefer though longer lie ins - so running on weekends away or holidays is always better for me and the legs as I seem more recovered.
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    Both my interval and long run sesions start at 7pm during "school nights",so I'm often not back before 8.30 / 8.45 but I find these are the nights when I do actually sleep through my partner's richter stresing snoring! My routine is to take on a lucozade sport around 5.30 / 6pm, do the session, get home, have a small glass of milk and something to eat - usually a bit of protein and veg but not too big - have a warm shower, cup of hot chocolate / malt drink, play with my cats (nice and relaxing) then spray some lavender on my pillow (boots / body shop sell a spray that won't destroy the pillow on impact like some oils) and crash out around 9.30 / 10pm. I'm usually fresh as a daisy (well as fresh as one can be at 6am) the next morning. I did try rego nocte (the new hot chocolate version) but I can't get it for love nor money around Oxfordshire.
    The main thing is not to eat too much and relax - if you stress over not getting to sleep - the chances are you wont!
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    AT LAST.A thread i can really help someone with.I am a Postman and get up at 4.30am.10 Years ago when i started running i joined a running club and shortly after started training for the flora marathon.I would have an hours nap in the afternoon and run in the evening with the running club at 8pm i never got no more than 2 hours sleep after a evening run.When i ran on my own i went at 5pm this wasn't as bad.
    After about a year of this i discovered a gym right next door to where i work.For convienience i started running at 1,2pm straight from work,i would stay up for the rest of the day and go to sleep at 10pm and sleep like a log.I lost 1.5 stone in weight and went from a 4.30 marathon to 3.30 almost over night.
    A couple of times a year i do the odd local race that starts at 8pm friday and get about a hours sleep.I keep contact with the running club by coaching the juniors but never run in the evening.I do not no your work pattern but maybe before work or lunch time will help.I manage and work sixty hours a week.
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    Running raises your core body temperature for several hours. Normally, as the sleep hormone melatonin is secreted from the pineal gland in the brain, the body temperature drops and this is a strong physiological cue for your body to prepare for sleep.This is why sleep specialists (hint,hint ;-))recommend no vigorous exercise in the evening.

    Milk and bananas provide a good source of the amino acid tryptophan which is converted into melatonin, as well as calcium and magnesium which can be helpful for some insomniacs.

    A tablespoon of honey just before retiring will promote a steady release of glucose from your liver during the night. You need this for growth and repair to take place during the night. Don't forget your brain doesn't switch off during the night- EEG recording show much brain activity during dreams and non rapid eye movement sleep. Therefore, do stoke up your glycogen levels.

    My advice is to run early on in the day if you can. If you must run in the evening, cool down properly afterwards. A warm bath (add lavender oil to the water) will help as it will promote sweating and vasodilation of blood vessels in the skin.
    Follow up with a banana milk smoothie and honey.

    Good luck!
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    OK you guys - I reckon that this has less to do with runnning and more to do with sleep problems. I started running three years ago anbd I have become very senbesitve from noise and stuff. I reckon that you run at night and come back and rehydrate and that makes you wake up to need to pee in the night and this is totally normal. I sometimes run in the evening (but only 6 or 7 miles) and drink loads of water and then don't get to bed until 11 or midnight, but then I don't need to go to work until late :). So...run earlier or run at another time or go to bed later. What do you think?
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    sounds like some good advice from linda zack...

    but i must admit i thought there would be more
    jack daniels
    southern comfort
    etc type of answers.....

    as in most of these forums....

    what no one suggesting a case of fosters...

    what about another run...say at ..11.30pm..

    or how about a big bag of chips..
    they always seem to make you sleep heavy
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    on a more serious note I do symathise with anybody that has sleep problems....

    I too lately suffer from disrupted sleep..
    but as yet I havnt found an answer for it...
    although I do know what causes it.....

    my wife has just been diagnosed with brain cancer and 18 months to live...
    thats the cause.....
    just not sure how to cure it????

    having kids with this doesnt help....
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    I get up for work at 4.00, do a relatively hilly postal delivary and child mind til the early evening so an evening run is luxuary and I never have problems sleeping, just getting up yhe next day.
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    Try horlicks! Does the trick for me usually. Hope it works tonight..........did long run today and feeling it.
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    I have been running 3/4 years and seem to have become more sensitive to noise and my sleep has become more disturbed as a result. I wake up a least twice a night although my improved level of fitness in recent years has helped me to deal with any tiredness during the day.I can't relate sleep problems directly to my running schedule though.

    I find anxiety can at the heart of many sleep problems especially if you have a race or long training run to complete but was heartened to read somewhere that the requirement to sleep 8 hours a night is a bit of a myth and that 6.5 hours is generally about right.

    Anyway I'm now experimenting with ear plugs, which I am not keen on but will try and persevere with.

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    Jack Daniels....MMMMmmmm. :-)

    Alcohol isn't a good solution. Yes, as a nightcap, it can make you fall asleep but it suppresses dreaming sleep in the first half of the night and then rebounds strongly causing vivid dreams and lighter sleep overall.

    Andy F is partially correct that it is a myth that you must have 8 hours sleep a night.

    Everyone varies in their sleep requirements. Some adults are short sleepers(5-6 hours) and others are long sleepers(9-10)hours.Even so research has shown that sleep requirements vary throughout the lifespan. Babies sleep the longest at 16 hours, young toddlers about 12 hours, children and teens about 8-9 hours. The elderly tend to sleep less than they did as young adults and may sleep in 2 phases, first at night and then with a nap in mid-afternoon.

    Anxiety IS a major factor in insomnia. Winston Churchill, at the height of the 2nd WW, apparently would say before turning off his bedside light, "B****r them all" and then fall asleep. So relax and let sleep come. You can't force sleep, so don't bother trying to sleep.

    Hope this helps.
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    I do my training runs with my club at 7pm and at first I couldn't sleep cos I was still too full after my dinner when I went to bed. Now, even though I come home at 8.30, I shower and have my tea ready by 9.00 cos I just eat quick cook tortelloni pasta and pitta breads. I think pasta's good cos you digest it quite quickly. When I go to bed at 11.30pm, I don't feel full and I sleep like a log!
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    what ....you wake up in the fire!!!
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    I agree with the writer about a cool shower, I think that helps; also the ibuprofen if soreness is an issue. I have found that eating after the run (and shower!) something like oatmeal or cereal is helpful. I think its in the milk.
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    I find the best natural sleeping aid is something to nibble on about 1-2 hours before bed. Ideally something with a little bit of fat on it, and something sweet eg:a couple of biscuits with cheese on, and a handful of raisins.
    This just relaxes me and helps me drift off pretty easily.
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    I once read in the New Scientist that tests have shown that we don't need actual sleep to renew ourselves. Apparently if you just lie down and rest that is enough.

    This could be utter tosh but it sometimes helps me drop off if I manage to convince myself it's true when lying there at 3 in the morning! It takes away the anxieties of the consequences of not sleeping.
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    If this is true Rosie it is very reassuring for us all. I've often wondered which scenario is the most debilitating, not getting the sleep or the anxiety caused by insomnia.
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    I think it's psychological as much as physical-especially when you get in that vicious cycle of not being able to sleep-worrying about not being able to sleep and therefore finding it harder to sleep.

    It's best after a night of no sleep to not dwell on it at all. Resist saying anything to anyone and trick your body in to thinking you're wide awake! I'm speaking from immediate experience-I only got 3 hours last night!
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    Well you've managed to put together a coherent post Rosie so you've convinced me anyway !
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    This one worked for me last night. Having read all the stuff about not worrying about it, I decided to give it a go. I just lay there thinking "right, I'm going to be awake, but I'll let my mind drift where it wants, just shove any unpleasant work related thoughts out of my head." I'm not sure if it's just me, but when my eyes are closed I can see odd patterns of light and dark, so I decided to just relax and "watch" the light patterns. Next thing I knew was when I woke up at 5.30am. Five hours in total! Result!

    Oh God I sound like a psycho....
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    No, that's good - I do use earplugs now as I have always been sensitive to noise, but I now only sleep six hours and wake every two or so, like Sinewaif and Andy F. I am going to monitor my sleep now to see if there is any correlation between days running and sleeplessness.
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    interesting takes on not sleeping how to sleep. You dont know how lucky you are I work nights os my runs are either ealry in the morning after work or mid afternoon. Weekends are a night mare try to get on normal peoples time for two days. Chocolate, stretch lightly lie down empty your mind follow your breath, sleep follows shortly after.
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    To all fellow insomniacs, I thought this was worth a boing!

    Some new sleep tips-

    I have discovered this great tea which has worked really well for me. It's called Valerian Plus and it's available in most good health food shops. It's made by a company called Dr Stuarts. Valerian is a herb often used in herbal sleeping tablets. It takes some getting used to the smell but believe me, it's worth it!

    The other thing is to block out all light at night time. Put a blanket up over your curtains or better still by a black out blind. I know this is difficult when it's hot but if you can manage it's worth it. I've found this combined with the tea had me snoozing all night!

    Hope it helps!
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