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Moraghan Training - Stevie G

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    RicFRicF ✭✭✭

    Crikey!

    With Dean and Scott around I feel a right fraud/wimp, with a mere dodgy leg.

    Puzzled at the slowness a small wound at the site of the injury was healing at; which I assumed was due to an impact. I had a dig about and discovered a damn Pyracantha thorn stuck in there.

    No wonder there was inflammation, the damn things have toxic tips. Ok now.

    On the subject of Garmins and track sessions. I simply use another watch to measure the recoveries.

    The Garmin is started and stopped for the bits I like to view later.

    There's a slight bit of juggling involved, that's all.

     

     

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    The BusThe Bus ✭✭✭

    Can you not have a field on your Garmin that measures elapsed time as well as run time? Good job you found the thorn...

    parkrun this morning. Good conditions - chilly and not too windy and the rain stopped. Faffed about with the warm up though, so didn't get the full job done. I asked Philip on the start line if there was anyone fast there today as he knows everyone! Set off fairly quickly and then me and another guy built up a fair gap by the mile point - 5:43. I'm thinking of the glory (!!!) of two 'wins' in a row if I can pull away from this guy but then he speeds up and leaves me for dead! He finished in 17:20 - which was a 90 sec PB for him. I managed 18:12, which was 25 secs faster than last week, and quicker than I was expecting, so pretty happy with that.  

     

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    DeanR7 wrote (see)

    i leave my garmin running during recoveries. like SG says its the rep performance that matters not the total time.  

    good sessions Philip and SG.   good consistency as well Philip.  did they feel like race pace?  maybe 2*800 at race pace off a long recovery next?

    As I said, I have one spreadsheet that records averages and many others that record other data, so I have a historic record of rep paces and distances etc. SG, the session is the session, what data is collected and analysed doesn't change it. The perfect example of data collection mucking stuff up is Tom Williams of parkrun who is determined to run at least 25 miles each week but not average more than 26 per week for the whole year. Seeing how he did a very poor 35 mile Two Oceans which put him 10 miles above 25, he is pissing about trying to get 25.0 miles each week to keep above 25 and get he average down below 26.

    Dean, race pace is hard to tell. I was never your speed but could do sub 60 for 400 whenever I wanted to and was 2.0x or 2.1x for 800 and sub 5 for 1 or two miles so all these paces fell hard but slow. I guess I should be aiming at 5:30 for the mile and the 600s were at about 5:40 so a bit slower. Will try 2x800 next week, thanks.

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    Oh, yeah, I ran parkrun this morning. Official time 19:42 but I had 19:41 so exactly the same as last week. Seeing as I did a track session yesterday and felt slow today I am actually quite pelased with that. 40 miles last week in 5 hours 5 minutes, same this week but 5 minutes quicker. imageimage

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    PhilipMJones wrote (see)

    Oh, yeah, I ran parkrun this morning. Official time 19:42 but I had 19:41 so exactly the same as last week. Seeing as I did a track session yesterday and felt slow today I am actually quite pelased with that. 40 miles last week in 5 hours 5 minutes, same this week but 5 minutes quicker. imageimage

    Lies, damn lies, and statistics. image

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    The BusThe Bus ✭✭✭

    Parkruh age grade pb today apparently 79.05%

    Maybe time to start chasing age grade pbs then image

     

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    Anyhoo - Nicely ranned Bus and PMJ. Good to hear the legs can still deliver after a busy week Phil. Nice to see there is life in the old dog yet Busimage

    50mi in the Chilterns this morning on t'bike. Could still feel Thursday's TT in the legs but smashed up some hills anyhow. Off to the in-laws for cake now.

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    The BusThe Bus ✭✭✭

    Woof (and cheers!)

    Any hills I'd know?

    Off to the in-laws myself now - for fizz and posh burgers to celebrate my brother in laws 50th. I'm in the dog house though - I was supposed to be running the Turks Head 10k with him tomorrow, but I left it too late to enter - oops!

     

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    The BusThe Bus ✭✭✭

    LSR today. Usual route - 14.1M, hilly XC and pretty warm today.

    Had a new one on me  - a large group of ramblers were at the coming out of a wood across a stile at the top of a long hill I was running up, vestless...

    There were probably about 30 of them, predominantly middle aged women, and as I came up the hill heading for the stile they'd congregated around they all started cheering,and clapping quite loudly and then several of them formed an arch I had to run through! Slightly intimidating in a way, but also just plain bizarre! 

    So, imagine how pleased I was when, around 8 miles later, I chanced upon the same group at Hughenden Park! Luckily this time they were sitting down at the top of a hill so I could run through them and down hill quickly with just the cheering and no arch!

    Bloody ramblers - shouldn't be allowed image

     

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    Freaky stuff.

     

    Re: hills, we did the usual. Out to Henley via the Greys, over to Marlow via the Assendons, Turville & Fingest. Up Quarry Wood Hill. Down through Cookham and then up Kiln Lane and onwards through Cliveden then back home through Bray.

     

    Mrs did Binfield 10k today. First running of a C&B undulating race won in over 36mins by a local TVXC face. Not much else at the top end. Some interesting marshalling out on course apparently. I saw a few people miss the finish too so a few things to improve on for next year.

    I ran back home via the sticks, didn't see the hole in the road and all of a sudden was facing the sky. Cut knee that was ok until the blood dried and the twisted ankle seems to have survived. LH achilles not so much (I blame Bushy Park) image .
    At least the decision for the LFOTM is made now.

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    RicFRicF ✭✭✭

    Yes Bus, quite bizarre.

    But really, if you insist on going for the homo erotica look when running, expect anything to happen.

    Running stripped to the waste (yes) is 'exhibitionist show off my body' shit in it's purest form. Pack it in. Put on a shirt and act your age.

    No one wants to see that!

     

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    Stevie  GStevie G ✭✭✭✭

    Yeah Bus, shirt off posing for the crowd, what's the matter with you. Never catch me doing that image

    Could you imagine if a bunch of sleazy old men in the woods did that to a woman runner in a bikini though?

    Everdaysexism.com would break down from furious posts!

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    Stevie  GStevie G ✭✭✭✭
    PhilipMJones wrote (see)
    DeanR7 wrote (see)

    i leave my garmin running during recoveries. like SG says its the rep performance that matters not the total time.  

    good sessions Philip and SG.   good consistency as well Philip.  did they feel like race pace?  maybe 2*800 at race pace off a long recovery next?

     The perfect example of data collection mucking stuff up is Tom Williams of parkrun who is determined to run at least 25 miles each week but not average more than 26 per week for the whole year. Seeing how he did a very poor 35 mile Two Oceans which put him 10 miles above 25, he is pissing about trying to get 25.0 miles each week to keep above 25 and get he average down below 26.

     

    That's the perfect example alright..... of a bloody idiot.

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    Stevie  GStevie G ✭✭✭✭

    13 this morn, 6.58 pace

    One of those dodgy routes where you go one direction for certain amount of miles, back the way you've come. Out the other way, piece some more together, then back from the direction you've just come. So much harder on the mind than a straight forward out and back, or loop.

    58.5 for the week, 2 sharp 200 sessions.

    Still feel in pure limbo, but on we go for now. I dare say many would have rucked this off long ago, but I won't until I get a proper "you need to stop/properly reign it in, you have something serious". I'm not going to stop on a sheepish "yeah you might have a small risk of something unspecific, maybe ease down"

    Latest stage is ringing specialist tomorrow, see If's picked up the olds' ECGs and see if there's anything they have that is often passed down!
    One of those scenarios where sort of nothing changes, but can either give you a lift or doubts! Like that darn letter the other week!

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    Stevie  GStevie G ✭✭✭✭
    Cortina5 wrote (see)

    Freaky stuff.

     

    Re: hills, we did the usual. Out to Henley via the Greys, over to Marlow via the Assendons, Turville & Fingest. Up Quarry Wood Hill. Down through Cookham and then up Kiln Lane and onwards through Cliveden then back home through Bray.

     

    Mrs did Binfield 10k today. First running of a C&B undulating race won in over 36mins by a local TVXC face. Not much else at the top end. Some interesting marshalling out on course apparently. I saw a few people miss the finish too so a few things to improve on for next year.

    I ran back home via the sticks, didn't see the hole in the road and all of a sudden was facing the sky. Cut knee that was ok until the blood dried and the twisted ankle seems to have survived. LH achilles not so much (I blame Bushy Park) image .
    At least the decision for the LFOTM is made now.

    Not good old son, but so easily done! Hope it eases up.
    I think you mentioned you run with contact details on an arm band?

    Does anyone else do similar?

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    Stevie  GStevie G ✭✭✭✭

    ps good parkrunning Pe...sort Bus image

    That is the parkrun experience isn't it. Pootle it one week, win it. Much better performance the next, and don't.

    He must have smashed that last 2miles to end with 17.20! Which is strange, as my 2 runs on that course are the exact opposite. Tend to get slower each mile. And not necessarily down to overdoing it, just that the first mile is flat, and then the ups and downs are later, including those steps.

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    Cortina5 wrote (see)

    At least the decision for the LFOTM is made now.

    Was planning on coming out and shouting encouragement and or abuse as wanted so will have to rethink that now. I don't mind shouting at randoms, in fact do it fun some of the time, but not by accident.

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    The BusThe Bus ✭✭✭
    RicF wrote (see)

    Yes Bus, quite bizarre.

    But really, if you insist on going for the homo erotica look when running, expect anything to happen.

    Running stripped to the waste (yes) is 'exhibitionist show off my body' shit in it's purest form. Pack it in. Put on a shirt and act your age.

    No one wants to see that!

     

    True - except they seemed to image (and I wasn't expecting to see anyone else for miles to be fair!)

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    The BusThe Bus ✭✭✭

    Ps - didn't he just SG! Explains why the gap just got bigger and bigger image. Got to be sub 17 next time out...

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    Reg WandReg Wand ✭✭✭

    I bet you loved it, Bus, I would have. Nice PR's chaps.

    Did the Slateman triathlon yesterday. This is my favourite race being in Snowdonia National Park. The scenery is beautiful and makes me wonder why we do so many urban races.

    Anyway the swim went without incident (241st), slow but solid for me. No panic and the water was not as cold as last year. The bike course is awesome, starts with a longish club up Pen-y-Pass and then some great descents, was pissing down so some of it was a bit sketchy on the TT bike!

    I averaged 21.5mph which was the 12th fastest bike split and wasn't passed once. In transition my hands were so numb I couldn't get my helmet off. After a minute of struggling including trying to get it off with the strap still on and contemplating running with my helmet on; a marshall came over and undid it for me!

    Onto the run with a steep climb up the slate quarry. I was fairly well placed at this point so the field was pretty thinned out but there were still a few to chase down. Once we hit the climb I started reeling a few in, including a few I had overtaken on the bike but who had managed to take their helmets off without incident.

    Closed down one guy very quickly by vaulting the stiles, saves a lot of time but it's pretty risky on legs that have just done a hard bike!

    On the descents it was very wet and slippery. I caught one guy on single file section so to keep my momentum I had to go off piste and almost stacked it. I managed to stay upright but only just.

    The views were stunning and the rain had stopped now. There was one last steep bit where I had walked a few steps last year so I made sure I ran the lot, even if it wasn't much quicker than walking pace.

    Down to the finish and unlike running you have no idea what position you're in when you get out the water 7 minutes behind the leaders. I was pleased to hear the announcer call me in inside the top 20. Ultimately I finished 21st with a couple of fast times coming in the other waves.

    With a decent swim I'd be top 10 so that's the focus now.

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    The BusThe Bus ✭✭✭

    Good work AG. Sounds like a great event and a damn strong performance (despite the helmet issue!).   21.5mph is damn impressive on those roads, particularly if you can't take full advantage of the downhills because of the wet.  I remember you saying how cold the swim was last year...

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    Yes that sounds nice Reg...lovely scenery etc.

    Bus - middle aged class women? Bet half of them had the old 'Breton style white and blue hooped top/bodywarmer combo on. They're like an army and my mum is paranoid now after I pointed it out image. Nice run too..

    Cortina - clumsy sod! Hope it's ok now though! 

    So Highgate 10,000 Saturday night. Not ideal prep as I had to go to the SAL at Basingstoke in the morning with the missus. And as she was officiating I then had to jog 3 miles to the station to get the train in.

    So, weather was a bit breezy, not too bad. Settled in on around 79's, although was aiming for 1.20's. Felt great first half, hit 5k in 16.30 odd. Then as expected the lack of mileage and a bloody slight stitch curtailed my progress, but tried to forget about it and it slowly eased off. Ran with Jim C from Harrow for virtually the last 10 laps and he just edged me over the last lap.

    So 33.15 in the end - pleased I didn't crash completely and as Jim beat me I was the slowest V40 there going by PO10! Although Kojo and Greenwood are stupidly fast. Funny running through a beer tent too. Another great night down there, although I doubt many others in the RW forum world know much about it..free too!

    Watching the mens and womens race was a treat, although 'our' KA didn't have her best run and may not make it to Rio, we'll see. The speed of the top blokes..wow.

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    Nicely done SC even with the stitch. I had seen some pictures of the beer tent.

    LH Achilles is now fine but RH ankle is a bit tender. It's typical that a 'fast' 5km is followed by injury then a 2year hike to get back to where I was.

    Good effort AG - nice that you can remain upright on a wet slate road.

    Bus, did the ramblers refer to you as a jogger too? I've come across some marauding walkers before who all moved to the side and started twittering to each other "jogger! jogger coming through! jogger!".

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    The BusThe Bus ✭✭✭

    Must just be you iron - all I could hear above the noise of my headphones was what sounded like "phwoar, look at that really fast hunk of a runner coming up the hill" image

    Did I miss something? What have you done to yourself?

    Simon - nice work. Sounds like one hell of an event and the FB pictures of the beer tent are something else image. I think some of them were dressed as you describe as it happens.....

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    The Bus wrote (see)

    Must just be you iron - all I could hear above the noise of my headphones was what sounded like "phwoar, look at that really fast hunk of a runner coming up the hill" image

    Did I miss something? What have you done to yourself?

    Simon - nice work. Sounds like one hell of an event and the FB pictures of the beer tent are something else image. I think some of them were dressed as you describe as it happens.....

    Sure it wasn't "Waaah! Look at the really fat chunker who's over the hill!" image (sorry).

    I wasn't watching where I was going and fell off the side of a country road. Turned my RH ankle and went arse over tit.

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    Stevie  GStevie G ✭✭✭✭

    I don't know enough about cycling, but can probably get away with agreeing with the kudos on the cycle, so erm, nice cycling Wandy!

    Simon, ridiculous to casually knock out 33mins on the mentally ruining track. I'd have probably started quicker than you started for a lap, had a miserable couple of laps, then run off and collapsed in a bush by lap 4. Actually sounds very similar to a time I turned up at Handy Cross as a fallow youth and decided to obliterate Trevor for 2 laps of the whole park. Obviously not realising he was pacing himself as it was about 5 laps, and fartlek...not 2 laps flat out. Oh well.

    6&4, usual pace, few calls to specialist, secretary obviously not in, great. We go again tomorrow.

    I did wonder if one reason for all these decent times every day is what I can only describe as being like i'm in a perennial "light adrenaline" mode the whole time. Meaning I unlock a slightly higher performance like you do in a race.
    Slight benefit to an annoying thing!

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    Stevie  GStevie G ✭✭✭✭
    The Bus wrote (see)

     "phwoar, look at that really fast hunk of a runner coming up the hill"

     

    Ah, that glorious "runner's delusion", I know it well.

    Feels - like you're the most handsome gorgeous toned legend ever
    Looks - like an absolutely undernourished weasley gimp

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    2 glorious shirt off runs today.

    "Who's this guy, he must be a legend, i'll keep out his way as he might be training for the Olympics"/ "Who's this mental idiot with no shirt on, i'll get out the way in case he's volatile"

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    AG: you can always drop the swim and just bike / run, and if it is a bit wet underfoot and the bike is slippery then drop the bike as well and just run. Guess I am a triathlete after all but one who doesn't swim or bike.

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    Reg WandReg Wand ✭✭✭

    Actually I am starting to realise I am probably a better cyclist than runner, certainly in triathlon circles.

    I was 12th fastest on the bike and 11th fastest in the run. Last year in the same race I was 70th on the bike and 17th on the run. I expect with a bit more time that the pendulum will swing in favour of the bike and there may be no turning back.

    This shirt off nonsense is just plain weird.

    Cracking 10,000, SC.  

     

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    The BusThe Bus ✭✭✭

    KInda, though I wouldn't run round town with no shirt on! I generally restrain my bare chestedness to when it's warm and I'm running off-road and unlikely to meet many peeps (large groups of excitable lady ramblers aside that is!).  SG and Philip will be familiar with that bloke with the glasses who always does local races bare chested - whatever the weather. Now that is a bit weird....

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