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    TippTopTippTop ✭✭✭
    Nice run TR. You seem to be really getting back into the swing of it ;-)

    I trotted out 5 yesterday, and felt very stiff as you'd suggested might happen actually TR. Had another gentle 5 miler this afternoon and felt a little less stiff, but my legs still feel worse than they should do. I finished with a quick last half mile today which seems to have helped a little bit. I equalled my best time over this particular half mile section without actually trying to (I was aiming for a controlled fast finish, rather than nads out, so probably could take another 10s off that easy) - so there may be something in this running fresh thing ;-)

    Jools - I believe it's quite covered there, so rain shouldn't cause a major problem, even if it's heavy. If it's humid however, apparently it can get quite rough around there as the trees hold all the heat in....... Should still be fun :-)
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    TRTR ✭✭✭
    TT
    Thanks.
    There won't be 4 hills like those suckers at the NF1/2, that's for sure.
    Are you still racing tomorrow ?

    Jools
    Hope you enjoy your training race.
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    TippTopTippTop ✭✭✭
    Yes, I will be TR. 2 of our mates are coming over to help Mrs TT with jr so I can do the race, so it's all systems go ;-)

    I'm still hoping for a sub 1:21, but have decided against running it evenly. I'm going to go out hard and see how long I can hold it for, so if I get my tergat I'll be doing it the hard way ;-)
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    TRTR ✭✭✭
    TT

    Fair play to you then.

    All the best. Luck favours the bold !

    Super Pompey played well today !! Nugent came on when it was all done.
    Utaka's finish was a better Anelka type finish than Anelka's was.
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    TippTopTippTop ✭✭✭
    Cheers TR.

    Aye, I saw some of the game. Pompey done well, but Bolton are poor. Utaka looked very sharp. Nice goal, and an assist. Unfortunately for me I brought Benjani into my fantasy football team, rather than Utaka :-(
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    Hail Hail

    Good luck to all racers this w/e esp East London Dave (shoe-in PB), Jools (rain is fun, so dont get caught up with the speed merchants), and TT (Pug (where is he anyway?) style racing eh? 1.20.15, I say).

    10M @ 6.35s yesterday should have been faster than that, but yet again my theory that I dont run well in the evening is proven. 6M easy recovery (7.00s) this morning felt exceptionally easy. It was raining so hard here, that the water seemed to be going up faster than it was coming down!

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    GobiGobi ✭✭✭


    As part of my cunning plan to stop me running too fast tomorrow I went to WCTT and ran 17.15 for an offroad 5km (a new PB)

    Went off what I thought was hard and was dropped by the top 8 guys. After a KM they all started to come back to me and by half way I was 5th. Chased down a few more for a canny second place. The winner ran 16.24 !!!!!
    Without the attack of the killer PUG which cost me a few seconds and a cruise into the finish which cost me a few more I think with someone racing me I could now get under 17 mins on a good course.

    Enjoy the weekend guys n gals

    See you tomorrow Blisters
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    Hail Hail

    Forgot about youse two. Arrabesht Gobi & Blisters. Look forward to race reports this time tomorrow.
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    Good luck to all those racing tomorrow – looking forward to reports.

    Got my 21 miler in today with a nice evenly paced 7.30 – to round-off another 81 mile week (which is very high for me). Now enjoying Eastbourne air show – with kids and family. However was wondering why I was particulalry knackered while chasing/catching over excited kids until I realised I had covered 49 miles in last 3 days (luckily tomorrow is day of rest).
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    Short (5m & 6m) runs on Thursday and Friday. 20.6 hilly miles today @ 7.05 min/m with a negative split of 4 mins. The long run felt so much easier this week on the Saturday (instead of on Sunday which is usually the day after my long bike ride).

    I might actually hit 50m this week which is big mileage for me when you add a few swims and some time on the bike too! I just need to try and up it a bit more and then hold on till Dublin.

    My prediction for JEJ is 26.15.
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    The race didn't quite go to plan, but still 3 mins off my PB with 27:13. A bunch of cheats went off before the gun. I didn't budge but got pushed over from behind and trampled over. With such a quality field (first non East African was 20th) I may have overcooked it trying to make up for the fall. The first mile was 5:30 (target was 5:10), 2nd (uphill) in 5:08 but after such a slow start, even maintaining 5:0x's would mean no hope of hitting my target time and started thinking towards my next race, easing back.

    My finishing position was 83rd. A time of 30:00 would have been 213th... there's not many races like that in the UK, shame I couldn't have gotton away promptly and actually raced it.

    A few big mileage weeks are ahead for me as a punishment.
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    Just discovered that AY4 (remember him?) is also turning up tomorrow for the 50. Should be fun. Must remember to take my swimming kit.
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    TippTopTippTop ✭✭✭
    I haven't done a race fresh in so long RB that I thought I may as well go trash myself around the course ;-) If I'm that close to 1:20 I'd be gutted not to go under it.....

    Nicely done Gobi, good luck to yourself and Blisters for tomorrow.

    Good time all the same JEJ. Sounds like an interesting race. Shame a few of them jumped the gun and that you got bundled over, but you can mark it up to experience for the next time.

    Nice training coldfeet and MT.
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    TippTopTippTop ✭✭✭
    Blisters, you set me off when you mentioned racing haircuts, so I've now done one (grade 0 all over), so I hope it isn't too cold tomorrow.

    Jools, I'm #307 and will be wearing my club vest (green with 2 blue diagonal stripes - I'm sure you know the one). Hope to see you there.
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    coroniumcoronium ✭✭✭
    Good luck to those racing today; I will look forward to the reports.

    JEJ - a very good time considering the start. I've just taken a look at the results, very high standard indeed. Talk of 4:50 m/m and Padams's 2:28 tergat is making me nervous about my leg at Luton.

    I'm surviving on little sleep at the moment, but don't feel too bad (at the moment) considering. MrsC and baby are doing well. Probably around 40M for the week for me; I went out last night in the rain for 10M @ ~6:00s (I’m finding this pace increasingly easy; hoping to make this my MP in ’08 = 2:37)
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    Hail Hail

    JeJ - gonnae stop doing a Gazza and having a drink before a race. Might make you a bit more steady on your feet! Given the circumstances, I think a Crab style "Fair effort son" is in order. Out of interest, where would your target time have placed you?

    coronium - nice run. Fatherhood (or enforced taper) obviously suits you.

    17M @ 6.45s for me today. Would have been faster, but my legs didnt seem to want to work until 6M or so. 71M for the week. Pleased given my recent benchwarming.
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    MtRMtR ✭✭✭
    Back in London. Some decent running going on, and loads of forum posting - taken me hours just to catch up - camping gear still stuffed in car getting smellier.

    My plan in France and Spain was to get in about 90 miles training over the 3 weeks. Didn't quite manage that. Problems with footwear (2 left shoes safely packed - no right ones to match) and heat (too feckin hot to run long miles - how Dan A managed the Marathon of Spain I'll never know!). Still, I managed to log 10 runs in 20 days, for about 60 miles, with the longest one a 10 miler in 31 degree sun with no water.

    So back to London and a scheduled 20 miler to see whether my Nottingham marathon entry was a pre-holiday madness waste of money. Quite a contrast - rain and grotty urban landscape, but cool and flat. Clocked up 20 miles in 2:36 (7:48 pace), which is some way (20 minutes or so) quicker than my long runs in my FLM build up. So pretty happy with that, apart from a nasty tumble on a wet wooden footbridge at 8.5 miles. Landed on my backside and shoulder. Ars* is OK, just looks like I've had a good whipping, but my shoulder is quite painful - icing it now.

    Good to be back - congrats on the various PBs set while I've been away, and welcome back to some of the benchwarmers. And I'm still slower than most (all) of you.
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    TippTopTippTop ✭✭✭
    Afternoon all. Not the best of races for me today, and definitely not according to plan. Wanted/expected a sub 1:21 (basically 6:10m/m pace), but got 1:23:35 (still a PB, but very unhappy with it).....

    Didn't go off at the mad rush I had initially planned, but still quite quickly. Hit the first mile in 5:55, the second in 6:01 (little climb in this one), and felt quite good (in fact I was quite confident of holding this kind of pace throughout). Then, within 3/4 of a mile the stomach cramps started again (same intensity as at the Wycombe half, but a little earlier) and effectively ruined the rest of the race for me. I had had the warning signs of it from yesterday, but I thought the worst of it had passed.

    From then on it was about all I could do to stay inside MP to be honest. As with Wycombe it felt like once the cramps started, no power was getting through to my legs, which makes running at any sort of reasonable pace a little hard to say the least.

    I ran most of the way with a guy from Sandhurst Joggers who was one of the cheeriest guys I have ever seen, shouting 'thank youse' out to pretty much every one and anyone most of the way around, and we dragged each other around (he had only done one half before, tending to specialise in 10k'), so that helped take my mind off the worst of it. I did manage to pull enough effort together to put on a quicker finish and drop him, so that was at least something I guess, but all in all I'm really not happy.

    I finished about a minute behind one of my club mates who I know I am quicker than (I beat him at Yateley while in the middle of heavy training, so should tonk him during a week where I'm fresher) and he was down on his target (as most people seemed to be for some reason).

    The course itself is very up and down, which makes it practically impossible to get a settled pace (and said clubmate reckons the likes of Reading/Wokingham halves are about 2 minutes quicker than this one), but it was a nicely organised event that I would quite happily do again.

    At Wycombe, I put the cramps down to a lactose intolerance, but though I've had some dairy this week when I shouldn't have, the last dairy I had was milk on my cereal yesterday morning, and I've got tablets that are supposed to prevent the cramps (but have been effectively useless), so I'm now completely at a loss as to potential cause.......

    Any suggestions?
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    TippTopTippTop ✭✭✭
    I know that the stress of the last week or so could have contributed to the cramps this time, but it's happened too many times in different races to make that the likely (main) cause and at this stage it's ruining too many races and too much training to just accept that it will happen occasionally...
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    JoolskaJoolska ✭✭✭
    Like TippTop I was a couple of minutes slower than I wanted, although this was a MP effort, so a PB was never going to happen. Ended up with 1.31.39 rather than the 1.30 I'd had my eye on. The undulations do mess with your pacing, it has to be said - my mile splits were everything from 6.37 to 7.12 (but I think I did fall asleep during that one). But it is a nice race, although I can imagine that in summer it's an absolute killer, especially as the water stations are just small cups of water (most of which seemed to go down my vest rather than into my mouth...). And I got a namecheck in the finishing straight. Made me chuckle, because I have a Russian surname, and you could pretty much hear the guy gulp as he read out my number and then saw what my name was! He wasn't far off, so I gave him a thumbs up.

    Still, I think on a flatter course 1.30 would have been comfy, so I'm not going to ditch 3hrs or thereabouts as an Amsterdam target just yet. I'll see how Bristol goes in a few weeks after a mini-tapir. Never wearing a Garmin in a race again, not unless there are no trees, etc. - it rarely gave me an accurate pace and I must have had the strap too loose, as it's bashed against my wrist bone and taken off the top layer of skin!

    By the way, Reading Roadrunners were falling like flies, TT: I passed 4 who had started walking!!! Didn't read your post before the race so glad you were alert enough to twig who I was. Sorry, no thoughts on digestive troubles. Dietician, maybe?
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    NjordNjord ✭✭✭
    TT, JB Sounds like the effort was there but now quite the times you were after. I can relate to that.

    Birchwood 10K: 43:14. HR=168 (92%)

    No sandbagging. This was a genuine 100% effort. A time like this (on a fairly quick 10K course) really stinks the thread out, but I'm pleased with it. I'll open a window if anyone's offended. Nearly 8 minutes down on April's PB - with about half of that attributed to the 20lbs ballast added since. Most importantly, the achilles gave only slight discomfort during the race, but no reaction since. Hopefully tomorrow morning it won't be too bad.

    A really crappy old day weather-wise here in the North-West. I had a 20K cycle prior to the race and got soaked. Changed clothes for the race and got soaked again. Changed again for the cycle home and got soaked again. Then I went swimming. Feet are growing webs. Hope weather was better elsewhere.

    Jools - my Garmin struggled last year at Bristol running through the Gorge, overestimating my pace by 10-20 seconds per mile.
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    TRTR ✭✭✭
    An achy knee (and not wanting to push my calf too far) meant just pj's at this end, but I enjoyed them and got a good sweat up.
    Still I got some decent runs in last week, so it's all coming back nicely. I just need to manage my knee and calf carefully.

    Joolski1h 31m - you're in marathon training and nearly met your Tergat, so well played.

    TTThe 1h 21m was never on the cards really - after last week. So well played on the new PB. You know there is more to come. You need to look at what you eat the evening before and morning of races. It never happened at Yately.
    BTW You can't win the Premier League in August but you can lose it !

    MTR
    Nice run there.

    NjordHopefully your achilles will still be ok tomorrow.
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    Evening all,

    Back from my hols now and just spent over an hour catching up on the sub 3 gossip.
    Firstly i must congratulate Coroniumon his latest addition.....well played fella
    Also pleased to hear that mrsTTis on the road to recovery.

    On the running front,well done JEJon the 5 mile p.b,I'm sure there's plenty more to come off that but still a very solid run.

    TT-sorry to hear that you are still having stomach cramps.I think it's just a case of trying to eliminate certain foods.A 1.23 half on a hilly course is a good result in my book........hope you can get to the bottom of it

    Jools-well raced, how high up the lesser-spotted's did that get you?
    Any wildlife?

    Njord-looks like you're on the comeback trail,well done fella.
    shedding some of that ballast should help the achilles.



    Well, I managed to tie the holiday in with a recovery week so it was only a 16 miler today,however i did get out every day before 9.00am(how sad is that on your holiday)just to keep the OCD at bay.
    also walked a fair few miles along the SW coastal path with my dad.
    Ate far too much so might have to jump on the Crabliquid only diet,hoping that next weeks increase in mileage will also help.


    Still doing a bit
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    Hi TT

    Glad to hear that you're still up and running

    I forgot to mention that my number and chip have arrived for the NF half,have you received yours yet?
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    oops meant TR

    Check-out that bold!
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    JoolskaJoolska ✭✭✭
    Joolska, I think, TR! Good call on resting the calf/knee. More haste, less speed (quite literally).

    Provisional results give me 11th lesser spotted. No wildlife, sadly... Infact, wildlife spotting in general has been poor. Only one bunny rabbit on Friday!

    Realised that, in my excitement to post about BB, I missed out JEJ: well run, even if quite a bit slower than you wanted. All those cheeky false-starters, though - what can only be termed as 'well out of order'.

    Njord: good news about the AT not hurting. The times will come down quickly, especially as the pounds fall off.

    I'd never raced with a Garmin before, but I thought it would help me ensure I was running at MP during the event. Perceived effort ended being a far more accurate guide (although in fairness G did get the distance about right over all). I actually do a fair few runs along the towpath on the other side of the Gorge to the Brizzle Half route and the reception isn't too bad once you get a bit west of the bridge. However, the Portway really hugs the cliff, so I can imagine reception is pretty poor.
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    TRTR ✭✭✭
    GR

    Nice to see you back.

    Race pack recieved I'm No 1991. Really kooking forward to it. I've bagged some decent hills in readiness, but then I bet you did too, in Devon.
    It'll be nice to meet up again.
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    CartmanCartman ✭✭✭
    njord, good news on the AT front, hope it continues to improve. Bloody hell though I thought cycling would keep a lot of your running fitness, especially as you were doing quite a lot of it (350 mpw ??)..

    TT, not sure if this will help or not, but don't you just use the same prep as your MP runs in the week ? Certainly when I'm marathon or IM training I try to use the same prep and in session re-fueling/hydration as I'll use in the race. Its weird that it hits you so early in the race though as I'd have thought that it would happen in training to..

    First week back for me after a break (which I'm thinking was now more mental than physical), anyway still fck'in slow, but managed a decent milage (50) and one 55 mile ride today. Plan is to run 70-80mpw next week, then 100mpw the week after.. am gagging to start training properly again and to tergat a race..
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    I've been accused of not trying before.

    Not doing enough goal mara paced runs.

    Why did I choose today to set the records straight?

    Honestly, I set off REALLY easily about 7:30 pace, or so I thought, until Gadget Woman GPS'd me. She had a nice bum, so I stayed with her for about 13 miles. At 6:50 pace. The first one was especially dedicated to CRAB, being a classic 5:90 (easy).
    The remainder of the race was therefore a salvage operation, which I believe that I managed to achieve, recording close to 8m/m for the full 30 miles. 4:03:25

    Not a bad training outing.

    Tonight's offering to Dionysos was a Wolf Blass Yellow Label Chardonnay. It tastes so much better after a period on the wagonnette.
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    GobiGobi ✭✭✭
    Boddington 50km 3.46.55

    Used as a training run ahead of my 100km

    Laps are about 2.22 miles long

    7 laps with BB at just under 8mm pace. This went well apart from the toilet breaks and having to change my shoes after 4 laps. I guess breaking my own rules on NEW SHOES was a bad idea.
    Picked up pace gradually with a very strong few laps at the end. Managed to unlap myself from quite a few runners and only just missed catching Mud back up.
    16.07 119 143 (short lap)
    17.29 122 141
    17.27 124 146
    17.35 125 140
    17.16 125 144
    17.32 125 130
    17.30 126 140
    15.46 139 145
    15.19 146 153
    15.08 151 155
    14.58 154 162
    14.04 162 167
    14.00 165 168
    13.54 167 171
    2.43 175 178 (short lap)

    All in all a good workout.

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