sub 4 hour group,if anyone wants to get together

just don't put 3.48 or 4.08 on your forms otherwise we'll have the same situation as this year with everyone in different pens and pandemonium trying to start together or wait at the gates of the park and so forth....put 4 and take it from there.3.59.59 will do me....nb, and i expect this will be a topic,the 4hr rw pacers run to a 4hr gun time (ie about 3.52 elapsed time to allow time to cross the line)not a 4 hr chip time.unless they change it this year.any takers?


  • Alex
    9 minute(ish) miling will be a good target for me. My best is 4:04, after going through 16 miles in 2:07 and then getting cramp (that was my last marathon in 1999).
    I'm interested.

  • MinksMinks ✭✭✭
    Me too, assuming I ever manage to get hold of a copy of Marathon News so I can at least enter the darned thing!
  • Not sure after last year that I've got sub-4 in my old legs, Alex, and I definitely don't have 3:52. I think I'll put 4:15, which is realistic.
  • excellent,hopefully this thread will turn into a place to discuss how to get properly fit for it too...i'm slightly hamstrung in the autumn by the arrival of no 4 child,so i won't be doing new york or dublin.i did nyc last year as my first having started in july,then did flm hoping to go from 4.45 to 4 hrs.4.27 was the outcome in the heat.
    but my half marathon best is 1.57 and should come down at windsor,i have done a 20 miler in 9 min miling in training for this years race,so i'm eager to get there,but with a bit further to go than you,andy.

    meantime i am feeling 1/2 stone heavier than april 18th.i did manage,just,to get a 15 miler done last night,but off for more beer tonight...

    i can highly recommend the imber 1/2 marathon on salisbury plain in march as a warm-up for london too-its beautiful scenery and a toughish course but a great day out...
  • hi vrap,don't do yourself down,yet...
  • fat buddhafat buddha ✭✭✭
    slap me into this group (assuming I get a place). I decided to push the boat out and put down for a 3:40 as I reckon if the training goes well I can do it but being pessimistic (and fat) sub 4 will do nicely. my best 1/2 is 1:45:08 and my FLM was 4:07:25 so I think 3:40 or 3:45 should be a possible. until 20 miles I was ahead of sub-4 at FLM but then the heat kicked in - was through the 1/2 in 1:55 and felt OK.

    like you alex, I feel overweight so come 1st aug I'm doing something about it - had too much pigging out on recently.
  • I'm not, Alex. I'm doing myself UP by 26 minutes and 21 seconds, or almost a minute per mile.

    I might see what I can manage at Windsor first. IF I can get under 1:55 (which will be a tall order with 8 weeks' training, the GNR the week before, and a current PB of 2:00:47) I shall be joining you.
  • I meant, OVER a minute per mile.
  • Alex
    Count me in M8, after FLM03 was very dissapointed in my 4.22 very much like Buddah i was on a Sub 4 till 21 miles then the heat and my illness took over.gonna do it this year tho
  • I'm definitely up for a sub 4 group, with the big proviso that I get in!

    Will be making a strike at this time at Dublin too.
  • great sounds like a team-great to hear from you legless,after i saw your back disappearing over the horizon at mile 5 i didn't think you'd be home in over good was that first pitstop??
    nothing like looking a few months ahead ,eh.
    hope we all make it to the start line....
    and don't forget that inevitably half will end up on red and half on blue etc etc...
    anyone planning on following a serious programme? the RW looked reasonably do-able last year,4x per week,so i'm tempted to have a go at that one.will probably go in the bin with other new year resolutions though!!
  • Hi guys

    I'll go for 4 x per week that should be ok. I am aiming for the Marlow half in Nov (v hilly) so should be on course IF i get in!!
  • Alex-yes the 1st pit stop was soooooooo good, I am following the hal Higdon 6day prog this year, working on a longer, harder, faster basis to make the magical Sub4

    CU there M8
  • If I can do Burnham Beeches Half and Windsor Half in less than 2 hours, and I get a place, I'll join you. BEst Half so far is 2hrs 2mins but FLM was 5hr 21m - I was hoping for sub 4.30 heat and insufficient long run training did me.
  • yes I wanna go sub four. having a chip time would be a start after this year's disaster. Sent my form off yesterday and I think I put 4 hours on it. definately used the 3:45-4:00 category code
  • Mike19Mike19 ✭✭✭
    Assuming I get in, then I'm looking for sub 4 this year. Glad to see many of this years red start photo coming out of the woodwork so early.

    Probably use the RW schedules this year. After all the problems of getting to the line last year, 4 times a week seems about right for an oldie like me.

    What level are you guys going to be building up to prior to starting the schedule?
  • MinksMinks ✭✭✭
    I think I'd go for the RW 4x per week schedule too. I currently run four sessions a week and think I'd find it difficult to fit in any more without seriously compromising the rest of my life and upsetting a few people ... also I've stayed injury-free on this ever since I started running so if it ain't broke, why fix it?

    I'd like to do FLM04 in under 4 hours but I'll be in a better position to see if that's feasible after the Windsor Half (my first) and the time I get for that. Based on 5K and 10K performance I should be able to do the half in 1:50-ish but I'm told the course is very hilly so we'll see ...
  • still focussing on trying to crack a 1.50 half at windsor,so will think harder about longer runs after that,but i reckon to get in about 3x20 3x16-18 and a couple of half marathon races in the jan-april period,if i can fit in the 4 days a week and do those long ones i'll feel confident about cracking the 4 hours i would think.i meant to use the jack daniels book to work on intervals and repeats and so on,but various things conspired to thwart that...
  • Minkin
    Yes windsor is a hilly course and produced an PW (personal worst) when I ran it last year but its good to get on the hills
  • minkin, the Windsor course isn't too bad-though i'm not an expert.last year i did it in 2.17(coincidentally the same day that paula ran 2.17 in chicago!)was my first race ever,it has a nasty hill up at around 9 miles otherwise i'd call it undulating.certainly no worse that the imber half i did in march in 1.57.just hope they have water at the last station this year..see you there...
  • MinksMinks ✭✭✭
    Thanks folks - they have apparently changed the course a bit from last year so it may not be quite as testing as last year. It was a hot day too by all accounts so may not have helped with PB attempts.

    For me whatever time I get will be a PB so I'm just concerned to finish without doing myself a total injustice.
  • Greeny.Greeny. ✭✭✭
    Yeah, go on then, I've been inspired by receiving my Marathon News. I'd be well pleased with 3.59.59! (4.40 in 2002 with rubbish training due to a variety of problems!)
    Will be doing Cardiff half on the same day as Windsor.
  • good luck with that one.still early days for london...
  • ok

    I'm up for it had a bad 2002, but training since then has been going well and looking for a good Dublin result, managing 8.5 min miles in training confortably, so allow for increased fitness but a bit of fade towards the end should be there or there abouts.
  • Also hoping to improve my spelling between now and then.
  • Hello Alex, I'll join too, I'm damned if I can't get under 4 hours next time, having trained for 3.40 last time.

    The jury's still out on an autumn marathon first.

    I won't necessarily be thinking about the training until Dec, just keep up longer runs and have the club coach make me do hill reps.

    Good luck with all your training, I'm sure we can get there!

    Also good luck with no 4 baby Alex.
  • thanks laura-yes i was trying to go sub 4 children but...
    i seem to remember some unfinished discussions from flm 2003 threads re boarding schools-my bank manager is coming round to your way of thinking!!

    did the classic thing this week of looking up the half marathon programme(optimistically looking at the 1.45 rather than the 2) in rw and thinking-ha,a 10 mile long run,i think i'll do 15.which i did,on monday night,but i was then so stiff and achy in the achilles area that i was nowhere to be seen for tuesday speedwork and the wednesday brisk 7 miler...
    just about lurched around 6 miles at lunchtime but it wasn't pretty

    off to go and write out 100 lines,i must not try to do all the necessary long slow distance running in one outing...and this is supposed to be week 3 out of 12 leading up to a half,not week 15 of 20 leading up to a marathon...duh.

  • HigsHigs ✭✭✭

    Count me in for sub4. I've just filled my form in giving 3:50 as my target. I did 4:14ish this year but that was after not running at all from mid Nov to Jan 6th due to torn calf. If I can train injury free and lose a bit of this blubber I'll get sub 4

  • IM in for sub 4 hours.Doing bristol half soon looking for 1hr 30 in that one.Dont really know about 26 miles ive only been running since march this year but ive got the bug and i do 12.5 every sunday usually in about 1hr 30 to 35.But whats the chances of getting into london?i want it badly.
  • Alex

    If I get into FLM then I'll be joining you at the Sub 4 Group, in the mean time good luck with your training and races coming up. Good luck to all the sub four group lets hope preperation goes well

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