2019 London cheaters

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  • senidMsenidM ✭✭✭
    That is very sad news indeed, you just wonder why? 

    If, as he maintained, all his times were legit, then just run another marathon with a pacer, ffs, would have silenced all his doubters. Even getting close to his times would be OK with me, any 70+ who could run 3hrs or thereabouts is still a fantastic runner.

    If his doubters were right, why did he do it and why not just keep denying it? At the end of the day he only cheated himself (alright perhaps the age cat wins would be upsetting to the guy who came 2nd, but its not life or death!)

    All very sad.

  • Big_GBig_G ✭✭✭
    I’ve recently read ‘So you’ve been publically shamed’, by Jon Ronson. He goes into quite a few cases where people have been shamed online, although there were no runners featured in the book. It’s an interesting read though. 
  • NessieNessie ✭✭✭
     senidM said:
    That is very sad news indeed, you just wonder why? 

    If, as he maintained, all his times were legit, then just run another marathon with a pacer, ffs, would have silenced all his doubters. Even getting close to his times would be OK with me, any 70+ who could run 3hrs or thereabouts is still a fantastic runner.

    If his doubters were right, why did he do it and why not just keep denying it? At the end of the day he only cheated himself (alright perhaps the age cat wins would be upsetting to the guy who came 2nd, but its not life or death!)

    All very sad.

    Very sad indeed. I can't quite get my head around it at all. Running and times aren't life and death, but I guess your "good name" might be. 

    Report I read said drowning did not seem to be the cause of death. 
  • DT19DT19 ✭✭✭
    edited July 7
    yes i would say it wasn't the despair at losing his record but the public outing and reputational damage. He isn't quite who all his friends and family think he is! 
  • rodeofliprodeoflip ✭✭✭

    This is normally one of my favourite threads every year, and it's always good to see people "outed" for cheating. The naming and shaming is fair enough and totally deserved.

    But this is another level, taken so far that it someone has lost their life over it. Really sad. Sad that someone went to these lengths to cheat and to deny / hide it, and sad that it came to this.


  • Big_GBig_G ✭✭✭
    I can't remember where I heard/read it now (could have been MarathonTalk) but a few months ago it was mentioned that the MarathonInvestigation guy has changed his approach over the last few months in that he no longer goes after the casual cheaters who haven't really cheated anyone else except themselves.  He obviously did quite a few articles about this chap although his site is a bit quiet at the moment, just saying "At this time, I will have no further comments to the media".
  • rodeofliprodeoflip ✭✭✭
    It's not the Marathon Investigation guy's fault that this has happened. This wasn't the typical "got a bit tired, so turned left at Tower Bridge and kept schtum"-type scenario. This was cheating on a very organised, planned way, resulting in claims of world records and top finishes. The whole thing is really sad, but I hope it doesn't mean marathon cheats can't be called out any more in case there's any repercussions.
  • Big_GBig_G ✭✭✭
    Rodeo, I know it's not his fault, I was just saying that he's apparently changed his approach over the last few months and mainly focussing on the world records/top finishers.  Regardless, he's probably feeling a bit crap about it all though!
  • DT19DT19 ✭✭✭
    yes i'd heard that also. I think more than anything he simply didn't have time to chase every lead he was sent so decided to concentrate on the bigger fish.
  • rodeofliprodeoflip ✭✭✭

    I think Derek from Marathon Investigation has been getting a mixture of criticism and support for years. He has been very successful in identifying and highlighting cheats, but there's also been a lot of criticism, and comments like "who cares? why does this matter to him? who put him in charge? there's no harm done, what's the problem, etc." He's maybe toned back his approach to reduce the grief he gets from people, and it has to be said, most race organisers don't really seem to care about cheating (how come Derek consistently identified issues which the race organisers could have found themselves?), so it's understandable to concentrate on the more high-profile cases (he was doing this on a voluntary basis, after all).

    I agree that Derek probably will probably feel shit about this (but he shouldn't)- it's just so sad that it got to this point with this guy.

  • DT19DT19 ✭✭✭
    No need to hunt for every cheat, some brag on social media...

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/great-north-run-competitors-instagram-20060501
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