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A'noon.
Penguin: Agree with what Tom and Tigerspaw have said. Don't be put off, you're probably fitter than some club members.
Wet and windy again.
Tigerspaw: well done on your 11 M in this current weather.
On the way to work this morning, I saw somebody out running in just a Helly Hansen and shorts ! It was chucking it down and very windy !!
T
You are a tough bunch of runners bedshapped. I think I would be hibernating with those winds. When I lived in Oklahoma City , I went to a lake that I ran at. The wind was bending the trees double. I started to run , but I wasn't going anywhere, so I got back into the car and went home. I have problems if the weather is not very cod , but damp. The feeling of being cold to the bone is tough to get going in.
Hope all of you have a good middle of the week. Tigerspaw on Thanksgiving, I will be looking to eat alot of Turkey and Pumpkin pie. Penguin hang in there. birkmeyer still reading born to run. Thanks to Karen D. I believe, the youtube pictures were great.
Shorts Birkmyre?
Brrrrrrrrrr, bet he had red legs! Notice how I said 'he' without actually knowing, cos its usually only men who are crazy enough to wear shorts at this time of year 
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I've been in long Ron Hills since start of November...........although I did see two people running toward me a few weeks ago when it was really quite cold and wet and horrid, and one person was all wrapped up cosy and jacketed, whilst the other had on shorts and a running vest! HAH, I thought, trust a bloke to be wearing that in these conditions.......LOL, but as they got closer I saw it was a man wearing cosy clothes and a woman in shorts and vest
. So that was my prejudice put to the test 
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Enjoy the pumpkin pie Tom, been a long time since I had that
. I've got a chicken ready to roast, probably gonna have it tonight, I usually wait until its christmas week to have turkey 
. Strange these traditions, we wait all year to have one kind of food, then stuff ourselves with it for days on end. I could eat turkey dinner all year round actually 
, roast potatos, parsnips, peas, carrots, gravy 
, roast dinner is just too good to resist when its done properly.
Thanks people i joined greenock harriers web site the day and membership is only around £35 a year so i may still do it
went out last night at 10pm and did a 40 minutes run dont know how far cos i was sneeking about Industrial estates and housing estates trying to cheat the wind which was about 30 mph
laters
Well done Penguin on going out running that late at night.....I'm more of a morning runner myself, usually ready for my bed by 10pm, Lol...sign of age
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Tom, I know what you mean about running with someone else, I used to run with a friend occasionally, she was much faster than me over short distances 10k to about 10miles (she had never gone as far as marathon distance) and it really improved my pb's to train with her. Once it got into the 10m to 17m bracket (which was furthest we ever ran together) we evened out and she started dropping down to my speed, either that or my long distance endurance was better than hers, I was never sure which! She was never interested in entering races though, which I always thought was kinda strange, so we drifted apart a bit. I guess she liked to win, that was the problem, but her 7.45min miles which would beat me in training, wouldnt beat the fast 6min milers in a race!
Nope she never raced Tom, I used to think it was a real shame, she was missing out on that whole side of things, but she was happy doing what she was doing, and personally I think it was more a psychological thing, about having to be in front of the pack all the time and maybe having doubts she couldnt keep in front. She always said she wasnt competitive, but I thought that was rubbish, she was always trying to race people and be in front, but wouldnt enter a 'real' race where this would be put to the test against the really fast people.
LOL at Bedshaped the Yeti
, that will be once it gets to January and we get snowed in but still have to get out to train. I saw a programme the other day about how to make snow shoes...might be useful 
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Its more usual round where I run and cycle for it to be 25-30mph winds, but it occasionally does get this wild here up to 60-70mph. This is my excuse for being a perpetual 10 min miler type runner, I never get the chance to try to go any faster because its usually a battle against some kind of weather. Good excuse for being a plodder
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Oh you lot been gabbing. I've heard of that Brain Training for runners book too Tom, not bought it yet.
Yup windy and rainy here today but i managed a run past 2 mornings before the rain started.
That is odd about your pal Tiger. I had no inclination to race when i first started running, took me a year before i entered one. I like both, i like running with folk and also by myself. Longer runs definently with company, think there were over 20 of us 2 weeks ago and we just split naturally into groups of the same pace which is fantastic. Couldn't see me joining an official run club though, i just like running with like minded friends.
Tom - before I got the achilles niggles 2 years ago I was more a low 9min to 8.45min miler on training runs, this is why I find my 10mm now so frustrating, I think I have ran a route quite fast then I look at the average pace time on my garmin and it is always 10.00 to 10.20 depending on how hilly the run has been and the wind direction, but when I'm running it I feel like I've done it faster. Maybe average pace is not a good thing to use and I should be breaking it down more into the individual miles based on the course profile.
I'm the same Karen, I have no inclination to join a club and I like running by myself, but on the longer runs it certainly helps to have people there. In terms of entering events personally I think it gives me an aim for training, I know I wouldnt put myself through some of these long runs if it wasnt knowing it was all adding up to an end goal, and its given me some great excuses for taking holidays
. But ultimately its putting ourselves out there against other people, its a gauge of how we are doing at a particular time, I think my pal was scared of that, you know, that there were always going to be people out there she wasnt going to be better than. In that way I'm different to her because my aim is to cover distance safely and as easily (ie efficient running) as possible and it doesnt particularly bother me that half the field is going to finish before me 
, I'm here to enjoy it, and if I can knock a few minutes off a marathon time all the better 
. And I'm driven by mileage at the moment, obsessed by it 
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I think if this weather continues Yeti-like clothing may just be the answer!! Not looking forward to tomorrow's intervals which I'll have to do alone as I won't make the club
Happy Thanksgiving Tom. Hope you have a good celebration. I'm with Tigerspaw, I could eat a good roast meal every week. Christmas dinner is just fabulous!!!
At least with your new cross trainer Tigerspaw you can train indoors now - bonus
I like the more challenging stuff with other folk but long saunters I like to do alone. The wee voices in my head always keep me company
I snook a wee gentle 35mins on the x-trainer tonight Bedshaped, even though this is meant to be a rest day, Oops!
. Gave me great joy to have the radio on whilst I watched the trees blowing about outside in this mentalist wind 
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I'm another one for singing little tunes to myself and letting my mind wander off on bizzarre thoughts on long runs
Lol, I enjoy the peace and quiet 
....its when it gets into the 20's I start to think, actually it would be quite nice to have someone to talk to just now 
. This is why I have been experimenting with coca cola for a good caffeine boost on the longer runs 
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lol Bebshaped, beware the wee voices
. I do like a good long run by myself now and again as proper thinking time, works wonders to right the worlds wrongs.
Tiger you mile monster you
. Keep at it, i'll persuade you to sign up for the whw race one day
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Heehee, see you used the word "appeal" Tiger, you are going to fall over into the dark side one day my dear
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I have visions of bedshaped hanging onto a lamp post out runing in the wind. Bit blue skies today and i got a little run again first thing. You have a good day again Tom.
Enjoy the day Tom. Colder today here but finally no rain
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Karen, I thought the dark side was triathlon
? No? I'm still safe within the realms of running and cycling 
, just have this obsession in my head at the moment with increasing distance, fascinated by the thought of what its possible to do 
. I just need to convince my legs they can keep up with my head and these racing thoughts 
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Nice 8.2m today in the sunshine, Yippeeeeee
what is this strange sensation of warmth on the back? Oh its the sun 
long time no see.
Happy training everyone.
I use silk gloves, they are the liners from ski-gloves, quite hard to get hold of but some of the mountaineering shops stock them. Very light and thin but warm. Thats fine enough for running for me, but when I'm cycling my hands get really cold, so I use Altura waterproof gloves over the silk gloves, and if its very cold and wet I will also put on a pair of woollen fingerless gloves between the two.
I get some of the symptoms of Reynaulds syndrome, very cold hands from winter cycling, to the point I cannot grip my keys to open the door when I get home, and then pain in the finger bones when they start to warm up again. But the silk gloves have really helped with this, I rarely get problems now unless I have got very wet and chilled.
Note: Altura waterproof cycling gloves only seem to be able to cope with a small amount of Scottish rain! If its teaming down they just get soaked through, but at least they stay warm
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Hi Guys,
you lot can fair blether
I've been quiet as I'm trying to build my base fitness again, I seem to have got a lot slower over the last few weeks !
I was running 8:15s but I now seem to be back up at 9:30-10:00.
Last week was 3x 5milers and a 7miler on sunday.
This weeks plan is more of the same, had a cracking 4 miler yesterday morning in the howling gales - even the dog thought twice about coming out
Nites last nite so slept today (no run), nite again tonite but need to force a run tomorrow...
Also did a 3/4 mile swim yesterday (in case I wasnt wet enough after the run) so slowly building the swimming back up as well.
Now just need to stop ignoring that I hate cycling lol.
Karen, was there not a 'shorter' cateran race a couple of years ago ??
Seem to remember it was around 20 miles ??
I have some cheap gloves from the supermarket. £1 for 2 pairs (kids ones for little people). Bargain
Last year I spent lots of cash on some fancy Ron Hill ones and bliddy lost them!!!
Oooh check you Tigerspaw looking for the longer miles
There is definitely a big appeal being out on foot for hours on end.
Keep it going Adbru, you'll get there again. I'm kinda the same actually. No speed at all just now and zilch stamina either
Must sleep, tennis been going on too long. WTF is Roger playing at??? He's got Andy out now the dope
Ditto on the feeling like a slow poke at the moment
. I'm sure some amount of speed will return once its Spring and its not blowing a gale 
........seems like a long time to wait though 
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When I was out the other day running against the wind it reminded me of my old Tae Kwon Do class when we would have someone hold you from behind by the belt, then you would have to try and sprint across the hall whilst they held on and 'surfed' behind you
(hint: make sure you partner up with someone that only weighs 9st 
). Thats fine for sprints in the gym but a bit wearing when you're outside and it seems to be going on forever 
....and its uphill 
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God no wonder I'm knackered just now
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Lol Bedshaped - yeah 'Highland Fling' springs to mind
you mad thing 
.....actually I was reading their website and taking a look at the entry form only yesterday 
Uh oh must resist!!