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nothing EVER comes here and I'm too busy to travel half way across the country!
But thanks for the advice anyway.
would'nt be so bad if the local shops intended to stock them!!!
Well if the interest shown is anything to go by thats a brilliant move, I bet the internet retailers who have had the foresight to stock them are loving it!!!!
Makes it difficult to preach loyalty to local shops when they don't sell what you want!
Why local shops won't stock them is beyond me! I mean it's not as if I'm after an obscure unknown brand etc.....
I'll wait to try em on 1st.
So who's going to be the first to give an objective view of this new Nike shoe? I'm agog with anticipation!
I'll attempt to give you a sober, objective appraisal of this shoe:
(1) It feels quite strange when walking in it the first time, like no other shoe I've tried, and, in fact, walking in it is no accurate indicator of its effectiveness.
(2) It has a deep heal cup, plenty of forefoot room for the toes and something that feels like a "knot" (I suppose its the varus wedge) toward the front of my arch). Very light weight, significantly lighter than the Beast, noticeably lighter than the Adrenaline.
(3) The cushion is medium, not too soft or hard, which I think is just fine for me. I think it improper to gauge the effectiveness of a shoe on its cushion alone - perhaps that is a question of subjective preference, biomechanics, etc.
(4) It has a rather bizarre offset lacing system that weaves into the tongue, which prevents me from tightening the shoe in the manner I typically do. In other words, it fits a tad loosely, but such has no effect on it performance.
I've had shinsplints since I started running and no shoe has quelled the pain quite like this one. Thus far I've run about 50 miles in them.
This morning I put them to a weather test: I ran in a heavy rainstorm (and quite cold): their grip was true and they did not betray me through all the water and precariously wet surfaces.
This is a fine shoe, and I am impressed. I was initially skeptical, but now I'm convinced that Nike has authenticated their claim. Perhaps the science they employed was true to the purpose of developing a MC shoe that prevents the problem "at the point origin."
Whatever you do, suspend any doubt of its effectiveness based on anything other than a handful of test runs. . .
Cheers
Mac
I've never ran seriously in Nike other than a pair of Windrunners in the 80s and they failed miserably. Might be time for a change!
They are very light, and feel very nice to run in, the ride is very good.
Here it is: Mac, I find the size runs as most other running shoes, which is 1/2 size larger than your street shoe. I.e., I wear a 9.5 in Brooks Beast and a 9.5 in Nike Cesium. I hope this helps.
Concerning width: Personally, the width of my foot is normal except for my forefoot. So, whenever I try on "wide" shoe (other than D width), I notice my forefoot feels fine, yet the heal is loose. Enter Nike Cesium. I went with the D width. This shoe conforms wonderfully to the shape of my foot: Snug in the heal area, and quite accommodating for my wide forefoot. I tell you, it's amazing. In comparison to the Beast, which I think is a fine shoe, the Cesium has considerably more room in the forefoot and toebox, whereas the Beast tends to cramp slightly.
My understanding is Nike developed this shoe in conjunction with podiatrists, which accounts for the 3 degree varus wedge. I think the purpose of the wedge is to affect the mechanics of the tarsals during the gate cycle.
Another thing, this shoe rides a slight bit lower than most shoes that I've used - something like a trail shoe, which I believe gives you better control - less likely to turn over. I haven't noticed any sacrifice of cushion as a result of this slightly lower ride. I'd say the cushioning beneath the heal is a few millimeters lower than the Beast.
Perhaps the cushioning is a little less throughout. The reason I say this is because I noticed this morning, as I ran over a few small stones and pebbles (a couple centimeters diameter), I could feel those stones a little more than I do in the Beast. In this respect, it is quite similar to a trail runner. Nonetheless, the sensitivity was of no cosequence other than an occasion for mental note. There could be some benefit from this?
It took about a week of running to realize this shoe actually worked for me.
By the way, because this shoe is a little lower, has a good grip pattern, and has some tactile sensitivity I think it'd make a good trail runner as well.
One last thing: I have experienced no problems (blistering, holes in socks, irritation) from the overlays, which are minimal.
Todd,
I am usually a size 10 in a running shoe with my orthotics.
On the entry just before your last one Mik states that he found that the shoe did not feel as "long". I mention this because one problem I get even with orthotics is that I get blistering on the end of one of my toes (the one next to the big toe!) and on the side/end of the big toe (both only on the left foot strangley enough!) This could be because my 3/4 length orthotic is pushing my foot forward on that side or because that foot is longer. If it was the shoe being too short surely it would happen on BOTH feet? Anyway If I went to the 10.5 and ditched the orthotics do you reckon the shoe would be too big? after all orthotics can use up a half or even full size can't they? Maybee a size 10 and no orthotic would be perfect and hopefully no orthotic to push me forward into the end of the toe box??? Thinking out loud really I suppose.
I think I'm almost ready to order a pair of size 10's, I just need to convince myself that a 10 without orthotics would be the way forward.
Mac.
Nikes blurb actually says "...in conjunction with A physiotherapist and A podiatrist... " the emphasis being on "A"... BUT having seen the shoe being videoed on a treadmill, it is definitely almost impossible to over-pronate in it... and anyone who runs in it is almost guaranteed to get plantar fascitis
Your situation is unique, and mine is similar to yours. I too wear orthotics. Up until a few months ago I wore a size 9 running shoe, and then switched to a 9.5. I find the increase in length to be, maybe, a quarter of an inch. Nonetheless, it worked out well. It is possible that if the shoe is to large, it could change the geometry of the built-in "orthotic" in relation to your foot, but I have not experienced this. Do consider, however, this shoe has NO REMOVEABLE INSOLE. It is permanently afixed. It is likely inappropriate to insert an ortho into this shoe - I haven't and won't (frankly, I see no need thus far). Mac, I'd advise going with the 10 and no orthotic, because this shoe fits loosely, and cannot be tightened like conventional shoes due to the unorthodoxed lacing system. However, make certain that whomever you purchase from has an honorable return policy. I don't want to steer you in the wrong direction, but I think it wise to go with what has worked, initially. Then, if that route fails, then move to the 10.5. I hope it works out for you! Keep us posted.
Bill, I apologize for the indiscretion, for my intent was to give an objective appraisal, not to deceive. The point was to show that this shoe was developed in conjunction with scientist-practitioners, which is even better supported by what you quoted from their blurb. I suppose such indiscretion is attributable to my epistemological background, being predominantly Kantian and Platonic.
I have a question: how did you arrive at the conclusion that someone who uses this shoe could develop plantar fascitis? This piques my curiousity, for I understand it to be a nasty maladay, and I wouldn't want to suggest anyone use this shoe if this condition is not merely possible, but probable. Is plantar fascitis common among those that do over-pronate? Or is there no established correlation?
I think this shoe is a really good idea, too abd its not working for me... went from Kayano XI to it and tis is hurting me, switched mid run back to my K11 and was fin instantly... so if anyone want some US10.5 cheap... 6 treadmill km's...
I would be interested to find out more about this plantar fascia issue - have not heard anything about this and am curious how you can make such a sweeping generalisation...
to fit orthotics to an individual you have to take specific measurements using a goinometer to check the angle that is required.
if you get this wrong you can seriously compromise an individuals biomechanics. thats why podiatrists should always start someone in a tempory set that can be adjusted if the prescription is wrong...
I would say that these shoes would be a fast track route to Iliotibial band syndrome for a majority of runners. even if you overpronate that does not have to have its root cause at the subtalar joint.
I noticed that sport and soccer are selling these shoes I wonder how many runners will buy them there without a warning of the nature of these shoes and end up injured...
So why are Nike pushing this as new technology when they have niked (ooops) it from Brooks?????
Why do you suggest that these shoes could cause ITB syndrome? As a devotee of Saucony Hurricanes and a severe overpronator who wears orthotics (can't walk without them let let alone run) who also has a problem with her ITB, I was thinking of trying out these shoes as they're supposed to be lighter and less rigid than your average MC shoe. Your suggestion is therefore worrying - what's your explanation?
the phrase i'll wait until they are thoroughly tested!!! I'm sure that like all companies Nike just thinks up a shoe and drops it on the market. Why bother in investing hundreds of thousands of dollars on development?? Yes they do feel odd, but orthotics feel odd the first few times you wear them too, because they are different.
I have flat arches, and to quote Sweatshop people when I have been in "quite a strong over pronation" yet, I have found Asics Gel Evo and others quite diificult to get on with. My intermediary pairs are usually GT2100's, mostly without any probs (but reduced mileage).
I and my hip joint awauts the outcome of the Cesium's! Pray God they work!!!!
Mac.
Funny how Nike spend a fortune on promoting the Cesium ... and then won't put it in the bloody shops!