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The long one out of town past the caravan park to the far turnaround point on the run course, wasn't overly happy going back up the side road when partway down that hill to the band handout point either, or the final 'make up the distance' slope just as you get into town overlooking the swim start
Or do we cancel the champs in 2017?
I'm not too sure why we have to switch from Bolton ?
You sure don't, like Henley though it may be mildly unattended if the Bolton thread desertion is anything to go by
Fair do's
TBH did the first Bolton and it was ok but my least favourite of the ones I have done IF I was racing long next year it wouldn't be there
Plug for Switzerland for 2017.
It will be 8 years (2009) since we were last there.
We have been to the UK twice in recent years, (2012 & 2013)
We are going to Spain (Mallorca) this year should be going back to Spain again in 2017 with Lanza?
Accommodation: Just checked youth hostel prices (we have stayed before and very close to Ironman village), GBP 35 pppn bed and breakfast for shared room. Double and single and family rooms available.
Or Hotel IBIS (little further but not much) or Camping near by.
Lots of Direct Flights to/from UK (Gatwick, Heathrow, Luton, City, Manchester, Edinburgh) with a number of airlines.
Less than 8 hours drive from Calais.
Nirvana offer bike transport from UK.
Side events: Zurich Triathlon, with Sprints, Olympic and relay on Saturday.
Ironkids Sunday.
Easy public transport to get out on the bike course for supporters.
Bike Course is not mountainous, with only 200m more climb over the two laps than Austria.
New run course this year which took us into the old city of Zurich... hope it is kept for 2017
Date 30th July 2017 fits school holidays north and south of the border. Allows lots of time for training, even for hills
Did not sell out in 2016 so you should have time to save your pennies....
Transfer possible to anyone entered in another European IM...
What do you think?
Switzerland was my first one and I really did love it.....but the ship has been there twice before and never been to Wales
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also wasnt switzerland a non wetsuit swim one year recently
But I have retired so will shut my mouth
Hmmm, Wales in September or the rest of Europe in late spring/early and mid summer, toughie that one!
For some it is not tough... Some have to do early summer.... in case numbers come up for legacy places...
And as I said in my post earlier today we have been to the UK two years running 2012 and 2013...
While I am sure Wales may be great and everything else Ironman Wales with its current date in late September is a disaster waiting to happen.
With its current date is very close to the Equinox and so is prone to Equinox Gales... As a qualified sailing instructor, and having grown up on the coast, I am concerned about the safety of a sea swim at that time of year, hence I never been tempted to enter.
it has had a few bad days but the swim is in the sheltered beach and so has always been ok despite the weather........I appreciate it is a tough one and so not a lot of people want to do it....but I will always suggest it everytime a discussion is made as I love the event
Wales swim was interesting compared with Austria or Zurich, bit of swell, but even someone as apparently shit as me got round sub 1:40. Maybe I'd have a change of heart about doing it again one day but next year is pretty much sorted for me already so I'm not overly bothered wherever it goes
I like Lanza
My vote is either Lakesman or Wales
The weather at Wales is always very changeable, which does make it a big gamble. I changed into 3/4 length running tights the year I did it, after getting very cold on the bike. I finished the race running in my winter pirate cycle jacket. I appreciate that it's a great venue but if you want guaranteed good weather, it's not a great bet.
The problem with Lakesman is that if it is nearly full then it's likely to close before all those who want to do the Championship race can enter.
What about all the races that have never been a Championship race? Vichy was a popular alternative to Mallorca this year. We've never been to Denmark, Barcelona. Lanza always seems to meet with resistance, which is a shame as it's an outstanding race. It seems a shame to go back to an event when there are many unexplored alternatives.
You can pay the Lakesman in instalments
That's not what I mean Dave, what I mean is that if it's decided it's the race and then people find out it's full, that's not great.
The impression I got last time I spoke to the organisers was that Lakesman wasn't nearly full, but it was selling at a good rate and certainly would fill up.
I think its to late in the year to be looking at alternative 2017 options other than Lanza and Lakesman, when so many people have already committed to one or the other or both.
All the other events suggested have their appeal but I dont think at this stage will draw anything other than a very small number.
I also dont think we should be dissuaded by the weather prospects of Wales for a potential 2018 pirate champs.
Having done both Lanza and Wales twice, they are in my opinion (for different reasons) the best two Ironman events, it would be nice to see them both as pirate championship races.
I've entered Lakesman and Bolton but I'm not adverse to supporting at Lanza even though I've earmarked it for a the 'this time it's personal' race 2018.
chatted with some of the Lakesman team on Saturday at the event I did, they are very coy about numbers ( no list of entrants on the website ) But were happy that entries are going better than expected
Statistically Outlaw is the most popular race.
Outlaw it is then
If it's a discussion based on irons in the fire the largest noise is being made for Lakesman.
It makes no difference to me. I'm just trying to help draw a conclusion, I'll let you get on with it.
Both!
But don't forget to save some leave for a trip to Zurich and maybe a weekend in Nottingham too as things stand
Its not for me to make a decision but I will if that's the preference, sometimes a decision just needs to be made. The alternative is to wait until Mallorca and let those attending decide collectively (possibly the best option now?)
I started this thread to help, to try and resolve indecision, then expressed a preference but tried to avoid steering the argument, other than to highlight Lanza and Lakesman as the obvious choices.
I suppose one persons discussion is another's contradiction. I suggested we avoid focussing on the 'which event has the greatest solo interest'. I think there's more to it than that, some examples have been argued for in the earlier pages and that noise doesnt apprear to be for Lakesman (anecdotally or statistically).
There was a massive solo interest in Henley in 2013, yes many of those that argued for it didnt eventually enter. A few weeks ago there was a significant solo interest in IMUK which hs since waned.