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Oh so your bit about not being able to afford " an infrastructure" wasn't connected to the very next sentence you wrote? Of course you were saying we couldn't afford those things. You can argue about the form they take but without at the very least the emergency services and free education our economy would be up shit creek in no time.
As for the rest, well the DHSS hasn't existed for 15 years, we spend much less than the USA on health as a proportion of GDP and less than most equivalent European countries and if younask a lot of people how their private pension has fared they'll tell you the only people to make money out of it are the people that sold it and the ones who gambled the money for them.
The truth is these things are not some unaffordable dream the problem is that a small number of people are taking a disproportionate share of the proceeds from what our society produces.
Yes a small number will always take a disproportionate share, of whatever there is. That's life, whether it's money time or effort, there are people who take a disproportionate share of everything including the NHS and emergency services but you wouldn't deny them would you?
The fact of most personal pensions is that most people put next to bugger all into them. They put in about £30 per month and expect an income from it of £20,000 per year.
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I suppose it's David Cameron's fault they didn't save enough ? Or that they were still paying off their student loan
I doubt it. The state pension is one of those other things that's pegged to the rate of inflation and will therefore be worth progressively less in real terms.
Yet again, some people will have been sensible and made provision...
Maybe Darwin was right ?
We want things, we do things, we exist. There's a price to pay.
What has thrown so many of us is that we have been given set of expectations that were ours by birthright, which didn't seem unreasonable or extravagant, and now we've been told we can't have them.
I attempted to sell personal pensions in the late 80's (for about 3 months). The people weren't having it. As far as they were concerned, you were stealing their money.
In frustration I packed it in and went and found a job in some factory. But not before I took out a pp myself in to which (advised by a colleague) I bunged the maximum amount allowed at the time. His words at the time were, "you'll thank me for this one day". Which I do.
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Enough said.
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I'd deny it you, nobody else.
I think you must be confused. I've got everything I've ever wanted from life. Its others I'm talking about.
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Ah, Your caring side, Looking out for the less fortunate ?
But if there were no emergency services someone might steal all you had, then where would you be?
I'm merely making observations.
Didn't you say "More fool them" Dave. How caring.
Pop. I didn't say anything about getting rid of emergency services. The closest I got was saying if we didn't already have them in place, we couldn't afford to start.
Bit of a difference.
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http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/jan/30/poorest-households-england-council-tax-rise
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25953444
Food for thought?
But I have never professed to be caring, In fact one of my wife's favourite comments is "Thank god you don't work in a caring profession"
As he has screwed the pooch on tuition fees he will be out of a job next year and will doubtless feather his nest with a nice cushy EU job and/or plenty of part-time "directorships".
Sigh...
Can you get degrees in eponymousity ?
But you accept the ambulance service and the AA are heroes.
Doctors and nurses are just over paid scrounges
There are idiots in the armed forces too, Nick.
I think it depends how you define herosim.
Members of the Ambulance Service have to deal with the injured and traumatised day in, day out. Drunk, abusive people, people in bits after accidents. On it's own terms I'd define that as heroic.
As for the AA - not sure how they got into the conversation