Is that not a fair summary of those kind of people though Pops? People who are quite happy to whinge but won't do anything about it??
Whilst in some respects you are right, you see examples everyday of people WANTING to work even for minimum wage, even if they have to travel they need to feel like they're doing something (like that dude who stood on a RAB with a sign saying "give me a job" and someone did) but then you have the people who will complain there isn't anything around and whinge and moan and won't try and find a solution and try and mooch off the state just cos there isn't anything mroe local, or easy or paying enough, this is perhaps more akin to Oxy's point, you are potentially taking it to literally.
i never understood why you wouldn't get a job due to being over qualified (from Maddy's post). is it an assumption by the prospective employer that you'll get bored and leave at the first opportunity? Do they refuse to interview you based on the CV?
Pretty much - certainly in my sector anyway (engineering), we would be concerned about taking people on that are overqualified as when the market picks up they will go and get better paid jobs at the level they should be working to and we are looking for people to stick with us, shortsighted as everyone can leave when they want but this is the prevailing way of thinking with hiring managers (i'm a recruiter) This is not to say that's the attitude everywhere but it is a consideration.
JW - Yes those that are just whingeing but wont do anything about it - there are people like Oxy describes. I just think he's lumping everyone into the same category. Seren was just making the point that not everyone can move around to work when the wages do not cover the costs of moving or travelling - whilst Norman Tebbit's famous piece of advice is often valid there are also many circumstances where it isn't.
My initial reply was that to use the handful of immigrant millionaires as an example that people can make it from nothing is pretty meaningless because he's pulling out exceptional people - hence why I likened it to someone saying Paul Tergat can run a sub 2.10 marathon therefore people are just whingers if they can't.
Anyway got to go to work now or I'll turn into one of Oxy's lazy wasters.
I reserve judgement on Cameron so far (he's treading on a banana skin or two already) but as regards his kids, I do believe him when he praises the NHS and says he wants to make it better.
Can't be bothered to read all the arguments on here, but suffice to say I support the concept of universal benefits: they're cheap to administer, no stigma is attached to them, there are no poverty or employment traps involved, and higher earners are in any case taxed on those higher earnings. The most important point is that they are effective in getting money to people who need it, whereas means-tested benefits aren't. And It's flipping typical of the Tories to get it so wrong that some people with higher incomes will retain it while some poorer people won't.
Lets not forget the mess Labour put us in over the last 10 years though hey
only because they were leaning slightly to the right!! The right and bankers are failing -about time a genuine left were up there. Socialism can work with some tweaks.
The stupid argument that we need very high pay for the best etc. Justifying bankers wage and bonuses on that fron! The best!!? -get real!
absolutely DTS. You get the pseudo argument - "look at USSR" to disprove Marx's communism and "socialism". That is crap. Marx believed that you had to go through an advanced stage of Capitalism before "communism" can work. Russia was agrarian and not advance capitalist, China too btw. I may not say "communism" will work out oif this but capitalism is now advanced enough to fail and make way for a "socialism" of sorts.
nope but I was waiting for the usual claptrap of the right
anyway about time we looked at an alkternative way of doing things, that rewards hard work and promotes greater equality for all. Less f*cking consuming too.
lol DTS -you are the one that lives in a world of benefit scroungers, all overweight and in MacDonalds 1/2 their life are you not? A benefit fettish then?
lol DTS -you are the one that lives in a world of benefit scroungers, all overweight and in MacDonalds 1/2 their life are you not? A benefit fettish then?
Nope We live in the nice part of Cheshire.. you are the one living in the area with the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe ! and the greater proportion of over weight people in the county !
When you implement “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need,” magically, everyone starts having quite a lot of need and very little ability.
lol DTS -you are the one that lives in a world of benefit scroungers, all overweight and in MacDonalds 1/2 their life are you not? A benefit fettish then?
Nope We live in the nice part of Cheshire.. you are the one living in the area with the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe ! and the greater proportion of over weight people in the county !
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Is that not a fair summary of those kind of people though Pops? People who are quite happy to whinge but won't do anything about it??
Whilst in some respects you are right, you see examples everyday of people WANTING to work even for minimum wage, even if they have to travel they need to feel like they're doing something (like that dude who stood on a RAB with a sign saying "give me a job" and someone did) but then you have the people who will complain there isn't anything around and whinge and moan and won't try and find a solution and try and mooch off the state just cos there isn't anything mroe local, or easy or paying enough, this is perhaps more akin to Oxy's point, you are potentially taking it to literally.
Pretty much - certainly in my sector anyway (engineering), we would be concerned about taking people on that are overqualified as when the market picks up they will go and get better paid jobs at the level they should be working to and we are looking for people to stick with us, shortsighted as everyone can leave when they want but this is the prevailing way of thinking with hiring managers (i'm a recruiter) This is not to say that's the attitude everywhere but it is a consideration.
JW - Yes those that are just whingeing but wont do anything about it - there are people like Oxy describes. I just think he's lumping everyone into the same category. Seren was just making the point that not everyone can move around to work when the wages do not cover the costs of moving or travelling - whilst Norman Tebbit's famous piece of advice is often valid there are also many circumstances where it isn't.
My initial reply was that to use the handful of immigrant millionaires as an example that people can make it from nothing is pretty meaningless because he's pulling out exceptional people - hence why I likened it to someone saying Paul Tergat can run a sub 2.10 marathon therefore people are just whingers if they can't.
Anyway got to go to work now or I'll turn into one of Oxy's lazy wasters.
only because they were leaning slightly to the right!! The right and bankers are failing -about time a genuine left were up there. Socialism can work with some tweaks.
The stupid argument that we need very high pay for the best etc. Justifying bankers wage and bonuses on that fron! The best!!? -get real!
nope but I was waiting for the usual claptrap of the right
anyway about time we looked at an alkternative way of doing things, that rewards hard work and promotes greater equality for all. Less f*cking consuming too.
See more of what ?
You do talk a load of bollocks sometimes Stu !
LOL - so why are you always banging on about them then? You don't hear me going on about 'em and they are right on my doorstep apparently
has teenage pregnancy gone down there since I got married?
The pregnancy and over weight are statistics produced by the PCT
Thank god it's not like that where we live......
Anyway back to the point Stu
You haven't got kids and aren't a high earner