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  • I think it is quite frightening for the left and the BBC. They live under an assumption that they are the good guys, but see that a substantial part of the electorate are losing patience with the coalition government, not for being too right wing, but for not being right wing enough. Under that circumstance what hope is there for Labour?

  • The top issues for most are the economy, immigration and crime - Labour have failed on all 3 of these in their last spell in office ...

  • Runnin man wrote (see)
    Podifer wrote (see)
    But all Farage and his lot seem to do is bang on about what they are 'against', they never really seem to say what they are actually 'for'. They just like shit stirring for the sake of it.

    This is what the Liberals have done for many years, just comment on the negative aspects of other's policies, look around you in work you will se eit every day, nothing to contribute just pulling away at others.

    Podifer wrote (see)

    But all Farage and his lot seem to do is bang on about what they are 'against', they never really seem to say what they are actually 'for'. They just like shit stirring for the sake of it.

     

    kaffeeg wrote (see)

    Ukip. Jesus Christ. Seriously? Who the hell is voting for these clowns? 

    I no longer have a political persuasion.. 

    Totally agree with Sussex by not exercising your franchise to vote you are allowing these in by the back door. Recently a Councillor said that we should end the lives of disabled children like a Farmer deals with lambs, he resigned and then guess what was voted back in, not by idiots who supported him, but by others like yourself who cannot be bothered to vote.

    Evil happens when good people stand by and watch, get yourselves motivated and active, at least to vote against what is wrong

    Errr, where did you get that I don't vote?! I just said I had no affiliation to any political party. I'm disillusioned. However, I always vote. Not only that, but I also hassle everyone I know to vote. Perhaps you might want to read my post properly?

  • Going back to the OP, you sure as hell can't.

    However, I have noticed how corrupt and depraved the BBC are also... Deeeeerrrrrh!

  • Farage has already done the country a great service by getting the main parties to agree to a referendum. Without the surge in support for UKIP this would never have happened. At least now we will have the opportunity to regain our sovereignty as an independent nation and to remove ourselves from the distant, unaccountable, undemocratic, and unnecessary layer of bureaucracy that is the EU. (You can probably guess which way I am going to vote).

    For those that say that UKIP has no policies other than the anti-EU stance you could always check out their website.

  • Johnny Blaze wrote (see)

    Nigel Farage is a one man band tosser and only idiots vote for his "party".

     

    Not the most constructive of arguments. I seem to remember Cameron using similar language against them. That backfired on him and now he has to go to all the trouble of attempting to re-negotiate our terms of membership. Good luck with that Dave, we await the outcome with interest.

  • UKIP..........one begins to understand just how Hitler managed to get into power.

  • jelly bean wrote (see)

    UKIP..........one begins to understand just how Hitler managed to get into power.

    just what i was thinking JB......its scary

  • Heh, on the telly this morning they were interviewing someone about the Zimbabwe elections who said that Mugabe had said he would stand down if he lost.  The interviewer pointed out "well, that's pretty much what democracy means."

  • Rickster wrote (see)

    The BBC has always had a left wing bias.

    Knew it wouldn't be long before someone came up with this one. It is, if anything, right of centre, treading an establishment line. Witness the slavering coverage of the royal birth recently. I'm not sure where wall-to-wall coverage of this pile of rubbish fits into your fantasy of left-wing bias.

  • Sussex Runner (NLR) wrote (see)

    People like Nigel appear because the main parties are not adressing the issues that a lot of the public feel strongly about. It was brilliant how he dealt with the Scots Nationalists. 

     

    Tommygun2 wrote (see)

    The thing that seems to escape the main parties and some of you on here is the more you pour scorn and derision on UKIP the more the disenfranchised are inclined to vote for them. They are seen as the only party that meets with some peoples ideas and thoughts. Whether that is right or wrong its gaining momentum.

    I live in a tory strong hold and at the local elections UKIP gain a huge surge in support and had 9 county councillor's elected. With labour and the Libdem coming a very poor 3rd and 4th.  I did not vote for them but lots of my friends both form tory and labour supports voted UKIP. I say ignore them at your peril. oh and I do like the way Nigel sticks to fingers up at the establishment image

    Nigel Farage couldn't fit the concept of 'establishment' himself if he tried. From the south-east. Public school educated. Businessman. Not keen on the EU. Not keen on immigration. How establishment do you want?

  • People call voting for Greens or UKIP a wasted vote but it isn't. The main parties want those votes for themselves so adopt some of their policies. Hence the tories going so far over the top with anti ilegal immigration that even Nigel calls it a step too far!

  • Spot on Sussex, the anti immigration van is a knee jerk reaction to try to reclaim the section of voters that the main parties have alienated. The populist vote has been ignored in the UK by politicians and political commentators who think they know best. UKIP just tapped in where they have shown no interest, so what has come from a little bit of a UKIP success is the main parties actually listening for once. Calling UKIP names, criticising their policies and making out that a vote for them is a waste of time is as productive as the mainstream gets unfortunately. 

  • Peter Collins wrote (see)
    Rickster wrote (see)
    The BBC has always had a left wing bias.

    Knew it wouldn't be long before someone came up with this one. It is, if anything, right of centre, treading an establishment line. Witness the slavering coverage of the royal birth recently. I'm not sure where wall-to-wall coverage of this pile of rubbish fits into your fantasy of left-wing bias.

    Alternatively, as Margaret Thatcher put it, ''I have fought three elections against the BBC and don't wish to fight another against it.'' The vast majority of the BBC's advertising spend for posts is with the Guardian,(figures available under the FOI Act) and as a recent report into bias at the BBC put it, ''birds of a feather flock together.''

  • The Guardian have a strong media supplement, this is presumably why the BBC advertise their jobs with them, not because of any political affiliation.

    It's certainly the place I look for jobs in the sector.

     

  • The BBC have admitted on more than one occasion that they basically represent a left wing viewpoint. And, like Nick, they believe that is basically "fair and right minded" - - not something that needs fixing.

    As to the word "establishment" that someone used above, certainly the BBC are very "establishment", and the establishment, by which I would think of the government and the state, the church, the broadsheet newspapers, the universities, and so on, those are all now generally left wing aligned, around the idea that the state should do as much as possible, and tax us all to fund it.

  • Hanster wrote (see)

    The Guardian have a strong media supplement, this is presumably why the BBC advertise their jobs with them, not because of any political affiliation.

       

    I think it's the other way round: the reason The Guardian have a strong media supplement is because media organisations all choose them to advertise with, because they are left wing.

  • The "establishment" doesn't automatically equal right wing... the establishment will always exist in some shape or form, regardless of the political ideal of the government of the day.

    As MikeFrog says, the establishment in the UK has a general left wig leaning.

    As a country, I think our overall pilotics is rather more left-of-centre on a global spectrum... Consider the US, where Obama's party is considered left wing there, but is probably on a par to the UK Tory party in terms of actual policy.

  • Nick Windsor 4 wrote (see)

     

    However most fair minded and right minded people will show a lean to the left in their thinking

     

    Like those well known leaners to the left Mao, Stalin, and that leader of the German National Socialist party.

  • Nick Windsor 4 wrote (see)

    Obviously you do not lean to the side of fairness, which is your right of course

    Thank you for your arrogant and sanctimonious assessment of my character. Just pointing out that the left does not have a monopoly on 'fairness', however that might be defined.

  • He didn't say it was a monopoly. He said most fair minded people.........

  • Sussex Runner NLR wrote (see)

    He didn't say it was a monopoly. He said most fair minded people.........

    That is true. Still doesn't negate the rest of my comment.

  • Ploddersoftheworldunite wrote (see)
    Sussex Runner NLR wrote (see)
    He didn't say it was a monopoly. He said most fair minded people.........

    That is true. Still doesn't negate the rest of my comment.

     

    Nick, I hope for your own sake you don't verbalise this "labelling" tendency you seem to have, in real life...

  • You said this:

    Nick Windsor 4 wrote (see)

    Obviously you do not lean to the side of fairness, which is your right of course

    And directed it at ploddersoftheworldunite who had merely pointed out that some of the world's worst dictators were "left leaning". He/she did not express a personal opinion at all. 

  • It's that "obviously" that does it, isn't it?

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