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To think I used to do a tempo session of ten miles including a massive hill. Then it was just get fit to race. Now self preservation would stop me even attempting it.
Which is about avoiding damage. Where to draw the line? a bit of an unknown area as the ability potential changes.
SG, to be fair, what I classify as an injury would barely register with some. The knee has a sore spot about the size of a little finger nail. However, the days when a good thrash could eradicate such things has long gone.
An earlier mention of keeping records. I've done such a thing continually since 1976. I've diaries and photos going back all that time.
I look occasionally at old training patterns but they don't/cannot apply anymore. When younger it was possible to run off aches and pains. Now if I have aches and pains, running makes worse aches and pains.
Recovery becomes more important compared to what the recovery is for. Which sort of means training schedules are impossible to follow beyond the easiest levels.
Yes, I don't mind leaving the Strava stats for others for now. As it was, I was already doing the daily miles when I came across the challenge. Seemed a shame not to finish the job.
Not sure about the 30 miles plus per day merchants. Some of these people were running four times each day
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I feel I'm going well on 60-mid 60s. Others can produce way better on half the amount. Doesn't mean I could. Doesn't mean they'd necessarily do way better on double, as they might crumble injury wise.
Reg - looks an interesting one to unpick.
10-12 seconds difference between my Threshold miles and continuous threshold runs worked.
5.52/4 plays 6.02-6.06
Threshold as a pace you can hold for 10miles, then 5.50 for sure would be in your capabilities, quicker probably. I did one years back at 5.42 after all, and you have a quicker 5k than me.
However, 6miles as a continuous run at that pace is completely undoable without an absolute calamitous thrashing.
I once at my peak fitness did 2x3miles at that intensity though. But combined would be an animal.
Strava is a bit of an irritation at times. It's hard no to want to make comments, but then as per the start of what I wrote in paragraph 2 really!
Although I finally did ask the clubmate who finishes every single long run a chunk quicker than they start it whether it's by actual plan or they can't help themselves.
And it was the latter
3 key words.
Race day magic.
Nice session Simon!
Tempo for me today as well, but late in the day as work got in the way! Four miles. Last year averaged 6:12 at about the same point in the run up to Wokingham. Tonight was pretty disappointing 6:22. Hey ho...
In other news, I imagine Jasmin Paris is somewhere high on a Strava leaderboard, with 268 miles covered in the past 4 days! Not only did she win the Spine Race outright tonight, with her nearest male rival 8 miles behind, she also took a mind-boggling 12 hours off the previous course record!
Watch out for ice anyone running on pavements early tomorrow
This way of finishing long runs was recommended by Coe. Though it should be mentioned that the pace of the long runs (his) was around 5:15 mile pace.
I imagine that if he really did go through the gears towards the finish, he'd have covered the final 800m in about 2 minutes!
Train like a champion then?
In other news, I imagine Jasmin Paris is somewhere high on a Strava leaderboard, with 268 miles covered in the past 4 days! Not only did she win the Spine Race outright tonight, with her nearest male rival 8 miles behind, she also took a mind-boggling 12 hours off the previous course record
Clearly a better man than the rest
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Which surprises me as it's pretty easy not to finish mid 6s 😄
10 for me. Snowy n windy and slow first half. Little bit better conditions second half...
Half day so did it round my way
Kilian Jornet set the record for a Bob Graham round (66 miles and 27,000 feet of climbing) in 12 hours, 52 minutes. Her PB (and the female record) for the Bob Graham round is 15 hours, 24 minutes.
I am not trying to denigrate her performance, but I just don't like this sort of hyperbole about women beating all the men when it is an exceptional woman competing against great, but not exceptional, men. If the press just celebrated her success that woudl be fine.
Leaves me cold that stuff - different sport where you can go to sleep during a race (in reality not metaphorically)
She's got a good engine...I'll give her that
"Yes, they can fall out of a plane as well as men".
Wicked!
The fastest women might not be as fast as the fastest men. But they are faster than the majority of men.
Can be a hard fact to swallow for many guys.
I well remember a runner of my acquaintance declaring that "No f..ing women on this planet has ever run an 800m faster (1:52) than I've just done".
Not that I had any concept of the pain this guy would have felt had that not been the case. In one track race of mine (3000m) I lost count of the number of women ahead of me. At least I wasn't lapped by any of them.
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Especially true the higher quality the race. Bupa 10k seeing double figures of women ahead was unusual!
Lost to plenty at my last 3k too. Although I'm still not sure the winner was a woman, and not some sort of mixup. Didn't look like one at the time
Just checked and that performance above would put her 19th in 2018, and a minute off that would put her in 12th. Not bad for a first run out !!!
Or more impressively someone who has picked it up in later (ish) years and quickly ramping up?
On another note, a guy at work claimed he'd run 11.2secs for 100m at school.
Obviously no record of it on paper/website. So straight away I'm ultra sceptical.
Especially as a lot of school 100m were on grass!
While 11.2 is probably not "ferocious" in the proper sprinter ranks, that's still bloody quick for a guy i can't especially pick as that athletic.
I always wonder about my primary school 4metres 20 in long jump at about 10/11. School record was about 4m 90, but although I didn't exactly have many attempts in my secondary school, I didn't get as far as that again!
I'm not doing a long run this week for instance, as I might pootle Tadley out to help the team out. That means I "could" have done a 15 today, but with an appointment and the snowy/wind, I was more than happy to settle for a 10.
Am slightly tempted to monster some 200/300s tomorrow though.
Just say 8-10 for a "sharpener" with Saturday off.
Any benefit? Or save it for Sunday?
I was all about the high jump when I was roped into these things on school sports days but I sure as hell can't remember what I achieved other than that I won. Sports day magic
Maybe that 100m time was off a makeshift mis-measured white paint on grass 'track' running downhill ? Mind you, some former athletes/footballers don't always look like they used to do what they used to do.
Reg - 30 in 3 days sounds like a marathon training regime, but as Ric has proved, doable if you go slow enough. I suspect when you look at it as just a mileage goal, you may feel less worried about trying to do it. Of course the slower you do it, the longer it takes. Which doesn't get you out of the spare room any sooner.
I speak from experience
The distance involved allows the paces to be messed up but recoverable. Try doing that with 1000m's. A session of 5 x 1000m could be wrecked by 800m of the first rep.
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Cant imagine I ever cracked 15 seconds for 100m at school. I was clinically obese. One of my worst memories was in year 11 (15 years old) being put in the 1500m because everyone had to do one event and I was useless at all of them and no one wanted to do it.
I finished 15th out of 16, and only because one lad dropped out. Would be horrified to know what my time was, probably over 10 minutes.
Some good sessions being logged especially Reg and Simon, awesome.
Stringing some training together nicely. 15 miles yesterday morning and another 5 in the evening after a swim, so 20 for the day. Realised I probably won’t have time for a long run at the weekend.
Then another 7 this morning, swim after work and just polishing off a rather hard bike sessions. Easy day tomorrow.
No ice this morning, but was still pretty wild conditions with strong winds and snow!
Nice kid athletic anecdotes!
I no doubt have mentioned these before over the course of almost 9 years of the thread, but one more time for the newbies..some incredible highlights...
Ever so slight key background being that I was definitely not within the fastest 4-5 kids in my OWN SCHOOL for starters.
And not to mention I actually came a very last 8th place
They'd mistaken some short white kid for a double the height black powerhouse lad. Easy mistake...I can still see strolling around with the "1st" award, showing everyone from my school and doing loads of shrugging.
With such pedigree it was obvious I'd become a face on runners world
I teach in a secondary school which is fortunate enough to have access to a synthetic track - school's land leased to the city athletics club who laid a new track 5 years ago.
Fastest kid has an official PB of 11.38 for the 100m which he set aged 14. Think his school record is 11.1 which was set on sports day but the timing at those is ropey to say the least.
Kid 2 years above has official PBs of 11.5 & HJ of 1.85m which he scissor kicks!! His specialism is TJ though: 14.73m at 15!
Personally I've the same sort of history as the useless plodders. Remember doing 1500m & coming 3rd from last just ahead of the 2 fag smoking lard arsed numpties. Still really shit at sprinting & can't get close to even the Mile time my longer distances suggest I'm capable of.
Got suckered by the TM again this evening. Planned to do an easy 10K but had to make it progressive to maintain any interest