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Reminds me of a run in I had with the police. It must have been around 1994. I was concerned about some bootleg Panini World Cup USA sticker albums in my boot. All of a sudden, out of nowhere I see some blue lights in my rear-view mirror. Crikey, it’s the law. I suppose you could say I had two choices: pull over or try to drive off and lose them in a side street. Well, I wasn’t too interested in becoming involved in a high speed car chase and I had some money with which to hire a lawyer to make an appropriate bail application and thereafter represent me. So I pulled over. Apparently I had been doing 55 miles per hour in a 54 zone. The policeman asked me to see my licence and to step out of the car. I handed over my licence but refused to step out of the car, explaining that he would find everything in order with my documentation. He responded by asking if he could look around the car, presumably for brake light faults or similar. I said that my glove box was locked, as was the boot, and that if he wanted to look in either he would require an appropriate search warrant from a judge. The policeman enquired whether I was someone important or perhaps a lawyer of some kind. I told him that I was not but that I knew some basic laws and I wouldn’t allow him to illegally search my vehicle. He said he would call out some sniffer dogs but this turned out to be an empty threat. In the end he let me go on my way.
Personally, I don't have an issue with the police - if you are a law abiding citizen and go about your business without causing problems for anyone else, then what's the problem?
Generally speaking i agree with that although there are exceptions notably Hillsborough. However, its not just the Police; Judges, Doctors, Politicians, Priests etc have all been up to no good in the past and got away with it.
My cousin is a polieman and says they spend so much time on paperwork that often its not worth it to nick someone for something petty,
Anyway look at some of the police forces around the world, i'd much rather have ours.
Did you happen to have 99 problems at the time of said incident?
Half a million they wanted for bail...couldn't believe it!
thats what i thought screamy... certain times they are flat out and things have to rearranged. but in general they get a break. at some point during the shift
In times of budget cuts I cant see them paying the Bobby on the beat overtime for his lunch hour just because they cant arrange his day so that he pops back to the station at some time for a break...
I think it's just one of those things Seren - sometimes they won't get the break or the overtime, especially since the austerity measures.
Unlike other workers, police officers are paid for their meal breaks. They are paid for thier meal breaks as the expectation is for them to be ready to respond for the duration of their shift, unlike the working time regulations of the rest of paid workers. It is 'normal' to not have a proper meal break and it is also 'normal' to work unpaid overtime as many do
parking regulations should be adhered to as far as I understand it unless of course when responding to an emergency call, clearly grieggs is less of an emergency, most forces will engage with you if you see an instance of illegal or inappropriate pasking or behaviour and as someone has alluded to already there are many avenues open for you to feedback to your local police or Police Crime Comissioner
The people with the attitude towards the police really resent the power they appear to have. The fact that they have to have above average life standards escapes them.
It's (always) I'm a bloke, he's (a policeman) a bloke. 'Can't see the difference, why should he have any more standing than me? the c**t, sod him, I'm going to put him in his place.
However, if you accept (in a way) that the police actually represent all law abiding citizens, and aren't independent individuals, then taking him (or her) on, is really you against us. You're going to lose. Weight of numbers and all that.
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Lunch hour, Lunch break, quick bite to eat......stuff of dreams,
I just think it looks bad. A chubby bloke who refuses to park 100m away from greggs and double parks or parks on double yellows just so he doesn't have to walk for a minute. I usually just think- that and greggs, well that explains the chubbyness
I have friends who are police officers and I think they do a very difficult job under incredibly difficult circumstances. They often don't get their lunch breaks, particularly if they are in a specialised role, they are expected to be available at all times whilst on their shifts. They do not have black and white hours like people who perhaps work in offices, schools, etc etc and can often be made to stay on if there is an emergency situation - their contracts of employment are not like normal contracts. Oh and in the majority of situations, they get blamed and shat upon whether they do the right thing or the wrong thing!
For everyone going on about Hillsborough, yes it was absolutely horrific, and yes mistakes were made, but are you really going to tarnish every single officer in every single police force (some of whom weren't even born then) for the rest of your natural life???
I agree with RicF that most people who have issues with the police generally have issues with authority. Funny though how those people EXPECT the police to protect them and help them when they, for example, have a car accident, are burgled, are assaulted etc etc etc.
1) of 2 policemen who didn't Nick him for doing 210% of the legal speed limit
2) of A policeman only giving him a ticket for an illegal manoeuvre because some bystanders were present, and hen apologising for dong so...
The stories paint the said officers as being either Lazy, incompetent or perhaps as not agreeing with the laws they are paid to uphold. Either way, his stories make the police look sloppy.
I don't like police, personally. Most people who decide to become police officers do it for a reason, the type of people who would choose an authoritarian job like that usually aren't the type of people I want to spend my time with. All police are under jurisdiction of the United Kingdom Corporation, their main job is to make money for the state by imposing acts and statutes which are not laws and the police spend more time these days chasing victimless crimes (if there even is such a thing) than serving the public and upholding peace.
The thing is, these people don't uphold the law because they believe in it; they uphold it because they get paid to. I don't have time for anyone like that, police, doctors, teachers, psychologists etc. etc. all of them get paid to do what they do so you can never be sure they actually have a passion for what they are doing and genuinely want to help people.
Therein lies the hypocrisy, I have known people who maintain such positions as their job title (Police officer, Doctor, Teacher, Councillor, Solicitor etc.) and a great many of them are far more lacking in discipline in their leisure time than the ones who choose to lay bricks for their living. How can you really trust or respect a person who's morals, values and ethics are bought and that, if the money ran out, wouldn't stick around for too long.
When I've been in trouble, assaulted, threatened etc. in my day to day life I haven't contacted the police; I would rather not involve them in civil affairs and I can handle that on my own, the thought of sharing a room with police officers is much worse than any sort of "Justice" they can get for me. I have however had attempts to stop me on 5am runs before with the reason "it's very early to be running." like that's some kind of crime, I told the officer that I would appreciate if he didn't stop me in the future and that it wasn't really any of his business that I was running; it's not a police state and I'm free to do what I want as long as I'm not hurting anyone.
Now if they actually only did things that stop those who actually hurt other people, maybe we'd get somewhere as it is now they are merely statute serving, act enforcing, fine creating, criminalising foot soldiers.
Well the first incident occurred in 1980. The police expected the car to be either stolen or the kid behind the wheel to be some gobby item coming back from a party still half pissed (we had a good chat about stuff). What they found was someone telling them exactly what they wanted to hear, and with all his driving documents at hand and in order.
The other situation involved a collection of other drivers all fighting their case. They were still there when I left the scene. The apology was only because he was handing out tickets to everyone and couldn't really let me off. I was ok with that.
It's a mind set. Being primed to fight the police on principle doesn't really work, you can't win. And it's a no contest situation anyway.
Really, it's a game. It's possible to charm your way out of loads of awkward positions with the police. It's about knowing how to make the right noises.
Can't beat a speed camera though.
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Ru Ner.. i would show respect to anyone doing their job........because I believe the majority are doing it well..I also believe that the majority are doing it because they are paid to do it.......but that doesnt mean they are not doing the best job they can...
If all police etc were corrupt and crap then i believe this country would be in a hell of a bad state.....where mobs and violence rules....
As it is there will only be a minority like that and they are in every job in the country
I can't believe this has ended up being a conversation about lunch! Just hilarious.
That sounds just like the sort of rant that Phil used as an example on another thread the other day - an opinion conjured up out of thin air based on your own prejudices and ignorant assumptions. Seriously, engage brain for a minute here, how can you have the remotest clue why any one individual wants to do the job?
I'm married to a policeman. He's an ordinary person doing his job. The majority are. There are a few arseholes but then there are in any walk of life.
And what's this bizarre argument about "values" being bought? All the people in those professions you mention are earning a living like everybody else - would you work for free? No, thought not.
I can. My theory is that all threads eventually turn to food or sex. Forum Godwin's Law.
the point I was making is that if a policeman chooses not to do his job and arrest you for doing double the speed limit simply because you were his kind of bloke, then when he arrests a young bloke for doing the same thing he is actually not only breaking the law once, but twice. Firstly for failing to enforce it with you and then by only choosing to enforce it later due to prejudice.
That is the part of the law that I do not like. It should be one rule for all, otherwise it isn't actually a law, it is just a way of wielding power over those in society that you have chosen to discriminate against.
It also gives people like 'Ru Nner' a semi valid point to argue.
Edited to remove the word idiotic from the previous sentence as it may gave been offensive.
So basically the only people you can trust to have any kind of moral integrity are Tom and Barbara in The Good Life?
(To be fair, that Felicity Kendall seems like a lovely lady.)
Ru Ner would, of course, be very grateful for the police if one of his family got murdered.
Funny how some seem to see them as an inconvenience until the point they actually need their services. Luckily, most have more sense than that.
If I did it would be on Crazy Pigeon Woman who causes complete flapping havoc in Green Park of a morning
I think the only place it would be reported is in "Pigeon Post" - the pigeons are the only ones that would miss her.
It makes me laugh that somehow you requiring the services of the police does somehow exonerate your opinion of them.
I was waiting for that to come out.
I mean in real terms ( not computer jargon ) you are in a situation when you need help and you want to call the police but " wait for it " you should not because you have experienced situations of foul play in the past ????
This is theoretically what you are saying.
Gee, to much time staring at a screen if you ask me !!!
And as for the Hillsborough disaster Beth, I am not judging the police as the be all and end all around this philosophy . I was merely giving an example upon many others that fowl play does exist.
A child would understand there is good and bad in all walks of life for fuck sake.
No "theoretically" about it.
Slagging the police off off left right and centre, questioning their collective character, morals and motivation while knowing full well you'd want their services if a member of your family got stabbed to death, quite frankly, makes you a bit of an idiot.
A child would understand that there are good and bad in all walks of life, however Ru Ner's post seems to suggest that he doesn't. According to him they are all authoritarian hypocrites who are only in it for the money.
chicken thieves.
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