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SW - Oh it wasn't advice or anything, just musing on what tends to happen split wise for the top runners. Would be good to see an average of the splits on say all sub 2.15 marathon runners and see what they come out at. Still think it's a slight positive split.
Before anyone asks - no I haven't the time or inclination to do the study myself
Agree Iower - Its actually a race right at the top end, where most other folk are just pacing it out per 5k or whatever.
Very impressive PeteM. My plan worked Quite a few in the 4-6 minuite bracket there.
There's a level where a start is too fast for certain, and compromises the rest of the race - especially for longer races.
For something like 5k, I've always found you need to get out hard, bank a little time, and that gives incentive to hold on.
Last summer I did just that at Battersea Park 5k.
A 3.15 first km, finishing around 3.23/4 average for 16.56
Next time up, same conditions, I thought about attempting even pacing. I went through 1km in 3.24, which would have been almost dead on target.
However, as I've always found in 5ks, I dropped off a bit, and ended up 17.14
So I didn't try that again last summer. Podium 5k was an even sharper start, 3.12, but expected on a cycle track, in amongst outrageous quality.5 3/4 laps, and if It hadn't had the windy stretch even lap, I could have threatened that 16.56, instead coming 17.00, but again, I have to get out hard,
Now, if the first km for me is coming out say 3.05-3.10, that would risk some sort of colossal blow out.I'd love to see that split for the time I did Dulwich in 2013, as I went out madly, and definitely had a real smash, before recovering for the pb of 16.53.Probably had more in me that day.
Boiling up nicely for Staines then Ric?
It feels like that time of the year, where months just whisk by. Before we know it it'll be summer, and then gone... so need to enjoy things!
Need to pick something for a track burn tomorrow.
Can either start the 5k plan in earnest, with the 8x600,2x400,2x200 one, or after a couple of long days driving, and with the big tempo banked on Tue, just go for something like the last 3 weeks - namely short reps and hard. 200s or 400s, and then get the 5k plan rocking in a week or 2.
Anyone have a preference for me?
SW - Certainly its nuts going off hard in a marathon unless you are super fit, I think most people will just do that in a shorter race - I've only ever gone off really hard in anything over 10k to be honest. I was shit scared of the marathon - for me it's just working out a time for 5k and trying to stick to it..I think mine was 19.00 or something like that for 2.40 pace. Oh and the first vantage point for me will be opposite the Farriers arms on Lower Rd (8.6 miles I think)..good place before the madness of Surrey Quays. Come on down!!
Track last night 5 x (600,400,300) off 2 mins. Found the 600's tough, as 1/3 was into the wind, but averaged 1.48's I think. the 400's around 67/68 and 48's for the 300's. I think!
800m tomorrow in the SAL at Bromley..
Dean - not surprised you are in a lull at the moment. Be good to see you if you can make it down - the spot I mentioned above is great, and only a 10min walk from Canada water tube.
Unlikely to be sub 2.05 tomorrow, but hopefully not too far off, be ok with 2.07 I think.
Decent result Scott. Guessing you were pretty when you took it a bit more seriously.I’m in Brighton for tomorrow’s marathon so cheers. #11122 in a MIND vest if anyone’s out on the course.