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They are flying now,at the end of 24hrs they are running sub 8min miles
This so makes me want to have another go at a 24 hour 😭
Anyone else fancy a go, 12 or 24 hour?
Shades-I have been thinking more about doing a long race like this,obviously a 12 would come first but I like the idea of seeing what I could do.
Same run as Friday today but terrible weather,glad to get it done though.
Ian, yes, it's amazing how they managed to rally around and how close different groups of runners came to each other. Ryan was dead on his feet at one point. He was moving, but it wasn't really what could even be called walking. I think they said it took him about 10mins to walk around one lap, not including the aid station.
Shades, it has sparked some kind of interest. As Ian said, possibly a 12hr at some point, but I'd want to do a couple more 6hr events first (and run the whole 6hrs). There is something about watching it that makes it interesting viewing - I think it's partly that there's nowhere to hide. It's just normal people digging deep, and knowing that they know they'll go through a down patch at some point. It's impressive stuff.
Yes, definitely do a 12 hour first to sort out the fuelling and get used to the track/race protocol.
Let me know when Zach does his post race blog/podcast I'd like to hear what happened to him on the day.
Big G - those 6 hour challenge events are so tough mentally as you're not really running with ultra runners. I might try a couple but I know it will be hard not to stop at marathon point. You'd find it much more enjoyable if you found an ultra event to do, although most of them in the UK are on trail, which you might not want. Or find a defined race distance 30-50 miles, very little choice in this country if you want a road surface, quite a few in Ireland and other parts of Europe to choose from when we can travel again.
However a 6 hour will not really help you progress to a 12 hour, in a 6 hour you can get by on little or no fuelling, 12 hour requires fuelling. 6 hours are very difficult to pace too.
Cal - when/if that eventuality happens I think you'd be very good at a 12/24 as you are very strong mentally when you race.
5 easy miles for me this morning, nice mild morning.
Pilates and gym this morning.
Taper ‘long’ run yesterday for just under 9 miles. I’m thinking to do 3 miles tomorrow and another 3 on Thursday and nothing else before the race on Sunday. Is that enough? I tend to run about 5x a week so wondering if I should add one more little trot in there at some point. I know there’s no benefit for the race itself but assuming it’s mainly to keep the legs moving.
Shades, I suppose the advantage of the 6hr events is that I'd never do a 6hr training run on my own. On the one I did, after about 4hrs it became obvious who were hoping to do the 6hrs and I found it quite a social event. I think if I set mind to doing the 6hr before I started I'd be okay; when I go into them saying "I *may* go on to 6hrs" I tend to stop at the marathon point! I wouldn't really want to do a 50k/50-miler on trails - City to Sea marathon is about my limit and 20-miles of that is decent terrain.
I did an easy hour yesterday afternoon on the turbo, after the 24hr coverage had finished. Then went out for my "long run" today, and did 8 miles. Again, nice and easy to HR, and everything felt quite good with no major pains anywhere. It was blustery on the sea front and running back into the headwind the HR did elevate a bit, but I'm fine with that. I'm slow though with an average of 10:30min/mile at 140bpm so I've got a lot to do. In the summer, before my 5K PB, I was doing these types of runs on this terrain at a bit under 10min/miles. But 8 miles pain free is a step in the right direction.
Regarding the 24hr event, I did see the trophy the winner got. It looks nice and they engraved it with his distance. I think the pic is available even if you're not logged into Strava.
https://www.strava.com/activities/4468062604
Tapering is different for everyone, if you want your runs this week to be a little longer then do that. It's important that you do what feels right for you. Yes, to keep your legs moving but also to stop you going stir crazy and mentally starting to feel unfit (when you're not of course).
Big G - that's the problem with the challenge event, you can decide during the run what to do and as we'd have already done a distance to count for any marathon tally it's so easy to stop and go home.
I'm not sure why you'd want to do a 6 hour training run on your own anyway, although my Conne plan does have a couple of 30 mile long runs to do which would probably take me 6 hours. Wouldn't take you that long though.
8 pain free miles is really good, HR definitely not important right now.
That's a lovely trophy. I laughed at the elevation, 13 feet over 155 miles
Lovely Pilates class, some great stretches, shoulders, hips and hamstrings today. Followed by very pleasant gym session.
Lots of ifs here Shades, but I suppose if I want to run 12hrs personally I’d like to get a couple of 6hrs under my belt first, plus tick another marathon off and hopefully improve my 6hr distance whilst I do it. I really can’t see why I wouldn’t attempt a couple of them if I ever do enter a 12hr event.
Keith - I only know of one 12 hour race now in the UK that isn't trail, and that's the track one at Crawley. That course we did at Boston was good, wasn't it. I did my 6 hour PB that day and you did carried on with the 12 hour, you were still running while MG and I went for a very fine roast dinner
You're ramping up the distances of your long runs. I think you're right, summer before we can expect a more normal race calendar.
My hilly run today, 8 miles, 659 feet, only managed one lap of Powderham, ankle was grumbling a bit, I should have redone the taping last night, it loosens after a couple of days. Wore my Elf shoes again, they are so good on the hills.
Big G - the wide1080's you bought recently, are they a better fit? I might start to keep an eye on the price and get a pair myself.
Regarding races I can't see me booking anything too much in advance, certainly not anything that needs a hotel stay. Even Dorney is I suppose under threat - I read somewhere that Slough 2 miles away is going into T3, whereas currently Dorney is T2, but how many people were going to come from Greater London to Dorney for a Half event happening next weekend? I wonder how many will still travel? I was vaguely tempted with booking Windermere but they didn't offer refunds or deferrals last time it was cancelled and it's quite an expensive trip with hotels, distance/time travelled, etc. I think for me it'll be things that are drivable for a few more months, and possibly booked at relatively short notice, although I know I then risk events filling up.
I've got this duathlon in March and I've got DD as my goal after that. That will keep me motivated to train, especially when the weather is good. I can't see me doing marathon distance in training but I can get out for long runs on the trails when it's nice, no problem.
I did an hour on the turbo yesterday and will probably do 1.5hrs or so a bit later today.
You'll need to find a dry day to try out the Nikes.
Re races, isn't Slough already in Tier 3? That will be a real problem if Dorney stays in Tier 2 with London/Essex moving up the Tier 3. Not sure how much responsibility is the race organisers to stop those runners travelling, EA could just pull the licence if necessary I suppose. Tricky situation, that could jeopardise the marathon there that Robert is planning to do if it's seen that runners are travelling from a higher Tier to race.
Re Windermere I would suggest you book accommodation especially if you want to stay in Ambleside or similar and hold fire on the race entry.
No need to do marathon distance in training for DD...just a few hilly long runs
I believe from now on the Tiers will be reviewed weekly. I had an email for Devon County Council saying they expect us to remain in Tier 2.
If you look at other European countries they're having increasing numbers too, Italy and Germany especially. Ireland have had a very strict lockdown for 6 weeks and their numbers are down to 200-300 cases a day and deaths in single figures.
Right now I can't find any events to do, but I wouldn't be thinking of racing until around April anyway.
The commercial organisers need to make a living and they've gone to great lengths to find venues that they can use safely, hence so many at motor racing circuits or similar.
Never fancied the Obelisk, January, cold, mud. But good that DC are going ahead with the race.
Quick 3 mile taper run earlier. Will do one more on Thursday and maybe another couple of miles on Friday. I’m feeling very good which inevitably means my race will be canned 😀
That is a very nice trophy for the 24 hour.
6 miles today. Lovely weather but heavy legs.
7 miles today,still nice and slow,currently about 50s/mile slower than October.I scrolled back to this time last year and I am only 15-20s/m slower than December 19,so plenty of time to get in to decent shape again.
Ian, it's frustrating being so much slower. I am too, but we know we can get back to what we were doing. It is amazing how quickly the fitness drops though.
1.5hrs on the turbo this afternoon, which was really enjoyable. All easy effort, apart from I gave it everything on the approximately 10 short sprint sections in total. I got a max HR of 182 at one point. Ooooph. The fan I've got set up is a big help and I have the window/door open, but I was still dripping with sweat; a similar effort outside with the wind I'd be nowhere near as sweaty. I remember I had the same when I used to run on a treadmill at the gym many years ago, and for me it's one of the biggest drawbacks of indoor training. Not totally sure if it helps but I am going through more electrolyte tabs currently. I've got a run of 6-7ish planned tomorrow.