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Re the feeling sick, do you have anything before you go out? I have water and milky coffee. You could try eating say half a banana and see if that settles the stomach.
Yes, not so great in the winter in the dark. Good that you'll be able to a run commute when you are back in the office, doubles too
Big G - yes, now we'd just rock up and not worry too much what the club was like, if it didn't suit then find another or train alone.
I trained with the Trotters for a couple of years but then preferred to train alone as you know that the Trotters training wasn't that great in the past. I still prefer to train alone but have always been a club member of one or two clubs at a time, Trotters, RRC, Seaford Striders, WRN, 100MC and now Mavericks.
Do you ever go training with the Chasers, or prefer mornings on your own?
You're making a great recovery.
Maybe a hot drink before going out and just a very light snack, dried fruit will be fine as that's what you're used to. I think water alone on an empty stomach isn't good. It's a case of trial and error what works for you.
I know the club you mean, too - I've seen them at the northern events I've done.
I haven't done any evening sessions with Chasers but I've done some long runs with the Sunday marathon club. Not sure when that will be starting up again - probably winter. They usually start at 9am and I prefer early doors in summer to avoid the heat.
Which 5K are you doing, Rcouture?
Just been to the gym (just a bit of benching) and found I was quite tired after my run so I only did half an hour. That and the guy who breathes like a steam train will doing callisthenics was in there and I don't like sharing the room with him. He's old enough to have had both his jabs but still, not a fan of inhaling someone's aerosols.
Shades-Yes I think the driving has been a hindrance,3 hours after the race then 5 the next day,should be OK to run tomorrow,then taper for mk
I went to Trotters this evening for an undulating 10x2-min session. I didn't run the efforts all out by any means (I didn't even hit the lap button on my watch as I wasn't that bothered, so I think probably the splits were all over the place) but it was nice to turn the legs over. Just under 5-mins including the warmup/cool down so not far, but enjoyable.
Ian - if you'd only had the 3 hour drive on race day you probably wouldn't have been so sore, but another 5 hours the following day was enough to seize up the muscles.
The only problem with that is that you're still in MK
Impressive running going to a speed session, even though you were holding back on the reps.
I quite like driving home after a race, I wouldn't normally choose to drive home the next day as for a Sunday race the traffic on a Monday on the motorways can be horrendous so quicker to drive home on race day. Plus when I was working I wouldn't normally waste a day's holiday just for a drive home.
But anything over 3 hours can start to become a bit of a chore, such as the drive from Windermere. I might do Windermere next year and I'll try and get a cheap Travelodge halfway home to break the journey up.
My golden rules for driving home post marathon, is take time to eat/drink after race, don't get in the car straight away. Stop at the services even if you don't want to, good to get the kidneys working properly again, important part of recovery. At the services park in the furthest corner of the car park, so long walk to the building and back, really helps the legs. And caffeine of course.
First run of the year in a vest today. Yesterday a cool 9 degrees when I went out for my run, today a sticky and humid 16, humidity in high 90's but had a really good run, 7 miles. Stopped on the way home to chat to a neighbour who has a gorgeous St Bernard called Watson.
Gym later.
I didn't know that about the Mach 4. Just shows it's often worth waiting a while before buying a new model as we need our shoes to last.
Have you tried putting in your current favourite shoes on Runrepeat and it lists similar types of shoes at the foot of the page. Just in case you need a few more suggestions
It is a joke really as most runners that buy them would benefit more from better training/race strategy/nutrition than a specific shoe.
I'm still uncertain about the new colourway of the Pro's
Rcouture defo got a new shoe bug, always good to have different shoes as they are all on offers at different times. I've been running for almost 12 years, I only joined WJ 3 years ago (I've been injured for most of that though) but I really enjoyed the speed sessions, the fact you can go to races and know other people and have an identity. I still choose to do most my running solo but its nice to have the option.
Shades WJ have a pretty crap website, in normal times its a reasonable club but the past year it's been non existent.
Big G you seemed to recovery well from DD.
Cal looks like you're making steady progress, also I'm intrigued by the different flavour ice creams, don't think Aldi have got much variety.
6 miles off road yesterday, was warm and humid but took it easy. Will try and get out for a couple of short runs before Sunday. Sunday is a 6 hour 3.3 mile loops, trail seems a bit of shade in the recce photos but alot of open areas soo. Not too much elevation about 200ft on each lap so enough to break it up. Think I'm going to find 8 laps a mental struggle but will get to half marathon and see how I go.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jun/08/letesenbet-gidey-breaks-two-day-old-10000m-world-record-in-super-spikes
Gidey apparently did a 14:42/14:18 split for the WR and that 14:18 is incredibly fast itself, for a standalone 5k.
My next marathon/ultra is also 8 laps, and they're out and backs so mentally hard, can't see me lasting more than the 8 laps for the marathon distance although I'd like to think I might carry on, it's a 7 hour challenge event.
Big G - yes re the shoe study, but the elite don't pay for their shoes and it's the non elite that are buying the shoes hoping it will do for them what it does for the elite. Nike sponsor a huge % of the elite athletes so any record is more likely to be done in a Nike shoe.
Whereas, better training/racing/nutrition etc would most likely benefit the majority of the non elite runners more.
I did see a small number of people wearing them at DD actually. I just thought walking up hill in them wouldn't be much fun, and also running downhill not much fun either. It didn't even cross my mind to wear mine at DD.
Massive mistake though for a runner to think they'll give him/her an advantage over their peers when racing if they lack training/nutrition/weight management etc etc. I expect that's why some wore them at DD, because they thought they would make a difference because they know they haven't done the training. If they only last for 100 miles then that was 32 of the miles wasted wearing them at DD
I expect you'll wear yours in a marathon when you know you're in PB shape, good flat course in good conditions, mentally you will feel that they will give you an edge on that day.
Did anyone see Challenge running back yard event (Last man standing) started 12noon on saturday around 100 runners set off doing 4.17 laps on the hour every hour. After 37 hours/ 154 miles only two remained running 80 (winner 81) laps 337 miles!!! over 3 and a half days.
Timing Monkey :: Suffolk Back Yard Ultra
Suffolk Backyard Ultra: Runner completes 337 miles in 81 hours straight - BBC News
Robert, yes, I saw that about the Suffolk Backyard Ultra. Crazy. The winner gets an entry into Big's Backyard Ultra I think, don't they?
They are definitely faster,and yes I agree I could be faster with nutrition,training etc but for me it is an add on on race day,no different from gels etc,just a tool in my kit,Ultimately unless you run I'm barefoot all shoes are an aid,these are just a better aid.
One thing I would add is its easy to not pay full price,we have 5 in our family who have the nike app,so 5 months a year we get 25% off and it is valid on them,so if I feel I am due a pair soon then I get them,I have 1 pair with 20m on and 1 unboxed for future use.
While they are dear,I don't really care,we spent years scrimping to get the kids through uni so they were set up,we barely drink,don't smoke,our only extravagances are holidays and running so if these make me run faster and enjoy racing more then it's well worth it.
First post DD run today,6.5 loop,felt very slow so still some soreness in there,hoping it's better by the weekend.
Some fantastic running all.
After my first marathon on 11th April, I took a full week off, them trained for a few weeks for a 10 mile race. The race went OK, I got a PB by a second.
I next managed a half marathon PB, getting it down from 1:57 to 1:50, not fast compared to many here!, but a decent improvement, and one I'm certain came about from my long weekly marathon training runs through the winter.
Last weekend I managed a 17.73 miler, my longest since my marathon. When I did my marathon I wasn't sure if I'd fancy doing it again! But am now thinking maybe a summer one? I think, for me it was such a journey building up to marathon distance, I don't want to drop back too far, to the point of it seeming impossible again!
I could never imagine being a multi-marathon type person, but how many do you folks aim at a year? Most literature suggests 2 a year, but I know some do way, way more. What sort of mileage/long sunday runs do you do when not training specifically, just ticking over?
I have been struggling with very bad back pain, but strangely running doesn't seem to affect it too much, hoping I can get it sorted.
Thanks.
Ian - what shoes did you wear for DD?
You're right re cost of shoes, we all choose what to spend our money on. I expect some folk, mostly non runners, would be horrified at the % of my spending on running kit/shoes/races and related travel costs but then I don't spend money on other stuff that other folk do.
You should soon get rid of any remaining soreness now you're back running, I bet it feels good to be DOM/pain free again.
Welcome back LTT - doesn't matter if your PB was only a second at the 10 mile race, a PB is a PB, well done. That's a huge PB for your half marathon, that's the marathon training that's done that for you.
Sorry to hear your back is troubling you, good that running doesn't bother it but would be good to get it sorted, have you tried Pilates?
Re number of marathons a year, it really is a matter of personal choice. Traditionally runners used to focus on one or two a year but you can run as many as you feel comfortable with and that you want to do. Pre pandemic some run one every week, they never need to do any long runs in training.
If I can find the right events, I only do road, and budget permitting, I like to do about 15-20 a year and that's in about 8 months as I don't like to race in the winter.
Training depends on how long in between events, but you can tick over with a reasonable weekly mileage and a long run (18 - 20ish) every 3 to 4 weeks.
Rest day for me today.
Parkrun 'fearful for future' as it writes to PM Boris Johnson asking for support - BBC Sport
and in Wales
Parkrun in Wales won't resume before July 10 (msn.com)