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Hey no, I didn't mean it like that!
I think the clinics are brilliant and invaluable it is just I think you have to be on the Pose road to for them to be worthwhile.
For someone who hasn't even read the book I'm thinking it might be worth leaving it for a bit and at least reading through it through before making a decision, especially if you're skint. Hence "on a whim".
CT: Nice link, thanks!
Interesting list of acknowledgements at the end
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Hi, I hope everyone had a good Christmas and is back to POSEing refreshed and relaxed.
I have been doing the same as before, drills and a bit of (short) runs. The trouble is I am getting ITBS on the left side, mainly painfull at the hip/top outside of thigh and a little at the side of the knee. I don't feel it at all during the runs but it comes on later when walking. I have a roller to help stretch it out but I was wondering if anyone here could shed any light on why I might be getting this problem on such short runs? (If it is caused by the running change at all). I know a video would be helpful, I will have to sort that out soon.
Thanks.
HI Larry,
Not experienced ITB myself so difficult to comment. There is an article on the pose websiote though where Dr. R addresses the topic that might be worth having a read through :
http://www.posetech.com/training/archives/000118.html
I also found this thread in the forums on the topic which may have some relevant info :
http://forums.posetech.com/showthread.php?t=15937
Grey Pilgrim, many thanks, I am off to find a wall. But I also think you made a good point about any running style will require me to have better hip/pelvic strength and that is where I should focus at the moment. I am trying to find a local Pilates class in the New Year, and then hopefully get my running back together.
Thanks to everyone for their answers and time, and happy new year to all you Posers.
Larry,
Incorrect technique I am afraid. 2 possible causes:
1. Heel landing in front of your GCM, or...
2. Late and incorrect directional pull causing excessive use of hips to recover the swing leg
It is possible that you are experiencing both since a very late pull will cause straight leg extension in front of your GCM.
I am interested in the distances you have currently been running, as I believe ITBs is an overuse injury. The one thing I do know (I had this some years back when hiking in the Lake District) is that you must not try and run through the pain. Keep any running you do to short distances and concentrate on the drills and very short runs. Don't do any hill running (especially downhill).
CT - I will do that.
Jonp - no hills here anyway so that is ok. The longest distance I have run in the last 3 months is 1.25 miles, no consecutive days and at most 3 times in a week, so no distance at all. It doesn't hurt during running, maybe a slight niggle at the outside of the knee which eases off pretty quickly, it really starts to hurt afterwards when I walk on it. Before the injury I was running distances of up to 20 miles without a problem, it only seemed to start hurting once I was injured (knees) and unable to run regularly.
Hi All - Back from Hols - the days flew by. I'm trying my best to catch up...
Farnie: Piriformis is a common injury. Running with that niggle will mess up your running form and will lead to over-compensation ie complications elsewhere (more then likely the other leg). Find a sports masseur who specialises in deep-tissue muscle massage to literally poke the hell out of the piriformis. If you adapt to Pose by doing drills for 2-3 weeks and then introducing short runs then I think that would be enough time for a decent outing for the 1/2 in March. But get the piriformis sorted beforeyou start.
Monique: Good to hear from you and I lookforward to the video. Read back a few pages about Husky. She's in the same league as you and you might find her story quite comforting.
Leanne, GlopGlop, Cabletow: Sometimes "Ignorance is Bliss" and not knowing anything about Pose prior to a clinic can actually be helpful! However, Nygel is also right ie "Fail to prepare" can be same as "Prepare to fail". It's all up to you. Nygel and GreyPilgrim, you might recall the Dad and Son duo. The Dad was overweight middle-aged and certainly not a runner. Yet he ran with almost perfect form on the final video session.
I personally have the same nature as Nygel so I like to fully imerse myself and learn as much as possible upfront. All you need is a very very very very open mind when you do the clinic, feel free to ask many questions afterall you are the customer. Nicholas is just an ordinary bloke with some interesting ideas - he's not a demi-god. Just be prepared to accept that your initial thoughts/ideas where perhaps not quite right so those assumptions need to be clarified.
Sorry to go all Zen but I thought this explained the approach to clinics quite well: A learned Western professor who went to study with a Japanese sage. The wizen old man invited the professor to a tea ceremony. They sat on tatami mats in a bamboo hut. The old man carefully brought in water from a spring, heated the water in a simple pot over hot charcoals, and when it began steaming, he slowly added tea to the pot, carefully whisking it with a bamboo brush. He handed the professor a simple clay cup and began pouring the tea. The tea reached the brim of the cup and the old man continued pouring and the tea spilled onto the professor's hands. He set the cup down quickly and demanded of the old man, "Couldn't you see the cup was already full?"
The old man smiled and gently answered, "Yes."
"Then why did you continue pouring?"
The old man's eyes gazed into those of the learned professor and said, "You came to me to learn something with the tea cup of your mind already full, and yet you wished for me to continue pouring, did you not?"
Larry: ITB means your landing ahead and not letting that knee flex. Are you allowing the ankle of that leg to flex or are you keeping the ankle to tense?
Here's a video-clip of me running barefoot on a treadmill. I've written up my thoughts on the googlevideo details area. I'd appreciate everyone's thoughts good and bad.
nrg
One interesting point that I spotted - amongst many - was when you sped up - you made a mental adjustment to your arms - you thought shoot from the hip - after you made that adjustment - the direc tion of your pull improved - once again we see arms making a difference to feet and making adjustments to arms is easier mentally.
LOL at the pig thing though - can I relate to that (I have just wolfed a whole 250g bar of fruit and nut - OK not quite in the same league as you - but probably the same number of calories
CT: Well spotted on the arms. If I raise my hands with my thumb travelling close to the nipples-and-ribs my elbows start to swing out sideways, my shoulders hunch forward and I break at waist (K-position). By lowering the hands and letting them swing only forwards and backwards - shoot from the hips - I do a bit better. Running is holistic and everything plays its part. I do really hate treadmills and hence running barefoot for 2 x 20mins per day was the most I could handle. If you watch carefully as the ship rolls side-to-side you can see me zig-zagging a bit, along the treadmill belt.
I do recommend cruise holidays but I've gained a further 2lbs in weight
nrg: glad you had a good holiday. Doesn't everyone put on 2lbs at Christmas...and not to mention carb overloading every day. I still haven't run on a treadmill and I hate all gym machines (really I just find them so dull). All my strength work is done static with resistance, exercises, elastic cordz.
Happy New Year All!
nrg: Are you sure it was only 2llbs extra? Pick a race somewhere west of London in say April and I'll meet you there. Anyone else up for it?
Will you be at CTs Loughborough Clinic? Will you be holding any drill sessions this year?
Happy New Year everyone!!!
I had a little run today and for a brief time everything seemed to fall into place. I played about with the lean a bit and felt myself go faster and slower
. I have been concentrating all the advice and the ITB didn't rear its ugly head at all.
I got them from sweatshop I kind of work with them so they ordered them in for me - but they should be able to get them.
they are very light and thin - some cusioning in the sole for the odd heel strike I cant cure and the fit is narrow but as there is very little to the upper they deform readily to my duck feet - a size too big is a bit generous.
I do not have H streets so I cannot compare.
Longevity - I doubt it will last too long - I get 1000 miles out of frees and my skylons are that king of mileage - I do not see these doing that at all
Some pics in the two smaller pics I am attempting to show the difference in flexibility of the shoe - the Mizuno has more torsional rigidity and is less flexible than the free (they have 100 miles on them)
http://www.tigwigs.force9.co.uk/id44.htm
Hello... I haven't read all of this thread, but thought I'd mention my recent experience of ITBS. I think I may have trained myself to a style of walking and running similar to pose, and it might be worth considering if anyone else is suffering.
My ITBS appeared in Sept 07. Couldn't link a reason - no increase in mileage etc. I can only assume that my ITBS came on as a result of unknowingly altering the mechanics of how I run - I was aware that my stride length had increased as I was running faster, though not further.
The ITBS affected walking too and would come on after ~3 miles. Now I have custom-made orthotics to correct slight leg length and overpronation. Also have trigger points on my piriformis. I'm a sports therapist, so am familiar with the anatomy and have been doing my own rehab.
Having an interest in biomechanics & gait, I've experimented while running to see if it alters the effect of my knee pain. I'm a mid-foot striker when running normally and run very upright. Anyway, I noticed that if I 'toed off' more i.e. had less contact time, my knee pain reduced. (Didn't disappear, as the band was already inflamed but there was a marked difference).
I've since tested this walking - I got the lateral leg tightness that precedes the knee pain at 3 miles, so I changed my walking style to less heel-strike (increased the toeing off) and the tightness disappeared.
As I understand it, with the increase in 'toeing off', it's harder to over-stride as the foot's not landing on the heel, and so during the support phase the leg is more in line with one's COG. I haven't researched fully the pose method so apologies here to any experts reading. Anyway the result - no knee pain - I walked 6 miles pain-free.
The next day both my glutes were sore (in a worked, not injured way), more sore on my injured side; and I can only link this to my change of walking gait. So I'm going to apply this toeing off technique to my running rehab and see how it goes.
Apparently there's positive outcomes for resolving ITBS that are linked with efficient toeing off at the 1st and 2nd MCP joints - if anyone has read of this I'd appreciate a link? Sorry for the intrusion and thanks for reading.