How do you get one in the first place - i.e. how do you prove who you actually are. Turn up at the enrollment office with a copy of your gas bill?
What about birth certificate? I have two birth certificates, both of which have different names to the name I currently use.
Maybe base it on driving licence or passport? According to official figures, a few thousand fraudulent applications are detected for both driving licences and passports each year. How many go undetected?
Alternatively, get a fake driving licence from a third world country. Swap it for a british licence at Swansea and hey-presto, you've got an ID card.
How about if you's a scruffy young student-type? Everyone seems to assume I smoke weed as it is - bet the police would love any excuse to have a rummage through my bags in search of card.
Incidentally, I don't use any drugs, legal or otherwise. Rather be running.
"Right - there's your challenge. Track me down & start junk mailing!"
Well I know exactly where you will be on a certain day in Feb - and you'll be dead easy to spot, so If I just walk over and hand you some junk Mail do I win the challenge ;-)
What makes you reckon I'll be easy to spot? There's lots of 21 F 's doing 54m races, surely? & I should hope you can find me some time before Feburary. Junk email will do fine though. & one red herring - my email & address aren't on the site my profile's linked to, so don't deluge anyone on there
Of course there is also identity theft, never happen to me but have heard about it. Someone can fair rack up some debts in your name, give you a terrible credit rating and before you know it you will be refused a loan and won't know why.
I wonder how often they will change the photos on these ID cards, get a new passport a couple of years ago and my hair is very different now, look nothing like my photo.
As a regular protester - I believe in taking resposibility for my actions. I don't WANT to be anonymous on protests. I want to show my disagreement with govt. in most public way possible, to make it very clear that they cannot use military 'solutions' in my name. Hmmmm - maybe this would be one good thing about id cards - make it harder to talk down numbers for protests.
Duck Girl. Until recently, I worked for a "defence contractor". Being publicly associated with an anti-war march could easily have cost me my job. I like having a job. It pays my mortgage. Only by being anonymous could I take part.
True - but usually in differnt places at once. Mind, by the time you've started a few threads, you can find someone's location etc. easily, & often a bunch of medical details, & then nose round running clubs in the area...
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How do you get one in the first place - i.e. how do you prove who you actually are. Turn up at the enrollment office with a copy of your gas bill?
What about birth certificate? I have two birth certificates, both of which have different names to the name I currently use.
Maybe base it on driving licence or passport? According to official figures, a few thousand fraudulent applications are detected for both driving licences and passports each year. How many go undetected?
Alternatively, get a fake driving licence from a third world country. Swap it for a british licence at Swansea and hey-presto, you've got an ID card.
Selective enforcement.
If you're white, middle class, etc. you are less likly to be stopped and asked for your ID than if you are a bit "foreign looking".
Incidentally, I don't use any drugs, legal or otherwise. Rather be running.
Well I know exactly where you will be on a certain day in Feb - and you'll be dead easy to spot, so If I just walk over and hand you some junk Mail do I win the challenge ;-)
Look at the goverment's track record on databases and ID numbers.
There are more than 80 million national insurance numbers currently in use, for a UK population of 65 million.
Hundreds of thousands of innocent people are wrongly listed on the criminal records database.
You want that integrated into a national ID database?
Roughly 1 in 5 cards (credit, bank, etc.) is lost or stolen every year.
If we have to have an ID card in our wallets as well, then that could be 10 million ID cards that will be gone with them.
Not only will you need to pay a lot of money for a replacement, there will be vast numbers of lost/stolen cards in circulation.
& I should hope you can find me some time before Feburary. Junk email will do fine though. & one red herring - my email & address aren't on the site my profile's linked to, so don't deluge anyone on there
Fish - agree!
Burden of proof.
Things done with your ID card will automatically be assumed to be done by you.
Suppose someone nicks your card and uses it to rent a load of videos and doesn't return them.
You notice the card missing a few days later and report it.
How do you prove that you didn't nick the videos?
Right - there's your challenge. Track me down & start junk mailing!
Just wondering if you have a Welsh sounding name with the Initials CO?
Did you run Cardiff in 2003?
MK
Right to anonymity.
Would you take part in a public protest. Anti-war, anti-hunt, pro-hunt, pro-choice, pro-life, whatever?
Join a few hundreds or thousands, wave banners and protest peacefully.
Now, ask yourself would you do so if you had to identify yourself to the police beforehand?
I wonder how often they will change the photos on these ID cards, get a new passport a couple of years ago and my hair is very different now, look nothing like my photo.
Do you want me to tell you on here??
If you have an anomyous (sp) email account
I can tell you by email.
It really wasn't that hard.
MK
errr no definately not.
The Rwandan genocide was largely fuelled by ID cards. Everyone had a card which identified them as been Hutu or Tutsi. Wrong ID card - bye bye.
Those nice, democratically elected Germans in the 1930s had a very efficient ID card system. It made it easy to identify Jews, Poles, etc.
You also competed in a 1400m boat race on 31st Jan 2004 where your crew came 4th ?
MK
Boat race - probably! Think actually I crabbed twice so it was more like last
FAB - Fair enough.
Final point, there are *no* problems for which ID cards are the solution.