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  • alipat1990alipat1990 ✭✭✭
    Good work on the hills Will! There's something extra satisfying about overtaking people on a climb. Well as long as they don't come flying past you on the way down! 😂

    Well done Cal. There's bluebells everywhere around here now. Definitely one of my favourite times of the year when we start to get a bit of colour in the world again.

    Medical update from me: 
    My bloods and ECG all came back clear which is obviously good news. However, on the flip side the doctor now suspects the issue may be brain related. So I am now being referred to a neurologist for further testing. I'm not going to lie, I'm a tad terrified but I'm trying to stay positive and put it to the back of my head whenever possible for now.

    On the plus side...with my heart being given the all clear it means I can get back to my training plan for Derby. I went to Victoria Parkrun this morning in Leicester. Conditions were pretty abysmal so I was amazed that we had a turnout of just shy of 400 people. Despite the blustery and wet conditions I managed a new PB, coming in at 22:55 which I was chuffed with. I got speaking to a couple that were visiting from Sweden whilst waiting to start. They're only in the country for 3 days and they decided to spend one of their mornings running around a park in Leicester in the wind and rain. Kudos to them! 
  • Cal JonesCal Jones ✭✭✭
    Well done on the PB, alipat. Definitely scary about the brain...hope it's not that. Kind of an important organ.
  • Just a mix of threes, fours and five milers. (I'm trying to stick to my half marathon plan and not do my ankles in again).

    Saw a couple of carp roll in the moat which skirts Sandwich town, a sign spring is here (Getting the rods out next weekend!). No other nature though. Lots of wisteria out, very pleasant.

    Did my local pegwell (very flat) parkrun in 22:09, came 25th. Have done 10 now so will help out at one of the next ones. There was a guy running in a fireman's outfit, as a practice for London marathon today, Which I thought was brave. Did a measured 6:50 mile mile on one of my evening runs. My neighbours drove past me and now think I run hours at that pace. I quickly told them I don't!

    New Saucony trainers arrived in the post today, it will be interesting to see if they help at all. Going to bite the bullet and go long Monday evening.

    Have a good Sunday.
  • HazelnutCHHazelnutCH ✭✭✭
    Interesting music choices for running and bird watching.

    Shame about the ducklings and the baby blackbird..  Keeping an eye on progress in the stork nests in the village - they had a great year last year, in 2017 many nestlings froze.

    Good parkrun result Will - how are your legs feeling now in general 3 weeks post mara? (if I remember the date right?)

    Nice surroundings for a parkrun for you too Cal, and a good time for the course by the sounds of it.

    Good news on the heart alipat - fingers crossed firmly for you regarding the neurological side.  Well done on your parkrun PB!

    Enjoy the new shoes LTT. And another pr well done.

    My hill race went well - I bettered my course PB by nearly 1.5 minutes which was surprising.  I initially thought I had taken nearly another minute off and the timing had been messed up as my watch was showing 48:57 against the chip time of 49:46, but I now think that it was due to having autopause turned on - the course goes through a river gorge and the watch likely lost GPS in between  and autopaused.  Should turn that off.  Was fourth in my age group missing the podium by nearly a minute this time.  Third place overtook me on the evil steps and I couldn't go with her and also got stuck in traffic on the narrow path.  
    Right calf a bit grumbly since need to watch that.


    Now stuck in front of VLM...  Conditions don't look too bad.   My long run can wait for a bit.  

    Have a good Sunday.
  • Cal JonesCal Jones ✭✭✭
    Linton, enjoy the new shoes. One of life's little pleasures, for runners. Good parkrun time.

    Great job in the hill race, Hazel.

    I did a hill run today - 13 miles, which included 6 miles-worth of laps around Streatham Common. Haven't run there for some time and it's still brutal. I had in my mind to go a couple of miles further, but when it came down to it, I wasn't in the mood. I didn't sleep all that well and after the laps of Streatham Common, I felt pretty tired and had a few grumbly bits.
    I've just remembered I have a 5 mile trail race on Wednesday evening, for the club... probably not my best decision, signing up for that. But hey ho.
  • Missed thst post from you alipat, just want to say good luck.
  • HazelnutCHHazelnutCH ✭✭✭
    Good hill running Cal. 

    Out for my longish run (15 miles) post VLM tracking yesterday afternoon.  A bit of DOMS from my hill race was troubling my calves so I kept the effort/pace down initially to let everything warm up.  I gradually increased the speed but had to considerably around the 10 mile mark due to a short / sharp hail and rain shower so as not to get too cold - my hands turned a pretty shade of red-green nonetheless.   Kept that up to 20k then jogged the undulations back home. 
  • JD1JD1 ✭✭✭
    Well done on your PB,alipat,and fingers crossed for your tests.

    Great result again,Hazelnut,sure you'll get on the podium soon for your age category .

    Linton,well done on parkrun,enjoy your new trainers.

    That sounded tough,Cal,it'll take a lot out of you.Good luck for Wednesday trail race,should have good weather.

    Just over 13 miles on the canal,spotted a very exotic duck on the canal,it had a red tuft on its head and only small,thought it maybe a Mandarin.Checked my bird book but don't think it is.If it's looking for a mate it'll be looking for a long time.

  • enrvukenrvuk ✭✭✭
    You take a few days to booze and play board games and so much goes on!

    Alipat, sorry to hear your concerning news, hoping it's something a lot more straight forward, but I can imagine it's quite troubling right now. Good to see you enjoying your running in the meantime. My last games weekend was in Leicester coincidentally and I ran my best Parkrun so far, nearly 3 mins slower than yours :-) Nice run!

    Great hill running and a very nice long run Hazel. I'd have been looking for the bus stop when the rain came! I admire your fortitude and stamina. Hope the calf ungrumbles.

    Linton, good running and enjoy your new footwear.

    Cal, congrats on ensuring I never run around Streatham Common, good running all the same. Good luck in your trail run. Seems to be a week for personal bests all round.

    Since my last post I did some Primrose Hill sprints, while people generally enjoying themselves looked bemused. I did 5 sprints and jog downs, 3 times. Something that hard has to be doing me good, right? Tonight I tried to blow away the remnants of Imperial Stouts and did an easyish 40 mins with the usual uphill finish.
  • Some good long ones there, Hazelnut and JD1. The punk duck sounds interesting but I'm short on ideas. Maybe an exotic escape? Sure it wasn't a grebe?

    Sounds like you worked off the beers nicely, enrvuk. Got to let your hair down and crack the Cluedo out occasionally, eh.

    Sunday morning saw my son Nye go Kipchoge style at Junior Parkrun to smash his PB  by 31 seconds. Me and my Dad were left chasing dust! We then crashed at home to admire the real Kipchoge - what an athlete. Effortless grace.

    I think I probably ran in a similar style tonight, whilst out on a recce for new routes. I ended up enjoying a very pleasant 7+ miles at a half decent pace. I managed to find a few bumps and the legs felt not bad at all. I have felt rather stiff in the quads and the hams, Hazelnut,  3 weeks post-mara. It seems to be easing off though and I think I'm pretty much ready to start decent weekly mileage again. 
    The air was richly fragrant tonight, with the first cow parsley and white campion coming into bloom and glowing in the dusky half-light. Also, a big whiff off ganja from some kids hanging out under the river bridge I crossed. It brought the Red Hot Chilli Peppers to mind. 
    I run, therefore I am.
  • Cal JonesCal Jones ✭✭✭
    Sounds like your son has well and truly caught the bug, Will!
    Hazelnut - good job on your run despite the hail. I've been caught in hail before and it hurts!
    Nice hill reps, enrvuk.
    JD, could it be a pochard, perhaps?

    Legs are still sore from Streatham so I did a slow 6 mile plod this morning. Off to see Avengers Endgame a bit later.
  • HazelnutCHHazelnutCH ✭✭✭
    I like the idea of playing board games enrvuk.  Good work on the hill sprints.

    Well done to your son Will.  Would agree you can start in on the mileage 3 weeks post-mara but rebuild gradually.  Bumps and trails will do you good after the tarmac pounding.

    Enjoy the film Cal.

    Late 5 mile recovery for me yesterday having spent a bit too much money in town (trousers for various outdoor activities, managed to stay out of the running shop even though OH was taking forever in an outdoor shop just two doors down).  OH accompanied me and my legs were still pretty knackered from the previous day's efforts so the pace was nice and sedate.  Lots of fields of oilseed rape this year, pretty overpowering scent.
  • Cal JonesCal Jones ✭✭✭
    That stuff is bad for pollen isn't it, Hazelnut?
    An easy 4 this morning - legs a bit better than yesterday. Not sure they'll be ready for the trail race this evening but eh, I'll do my best.
  • enrvukenrvuk ✭✭✭
    Games included Catan, 7 Wonders, Istanbul and Puerto Rico if anybody has heard of them. Sorry no Cluedo Will.

    Impressive running from your Son Will. I hope you’re comfortable being number 2 in the household! Good to see the recovery coming along.

    Did you enjoy the film Cal? Hazel nice running shop avoidance. What’s the secret?

    Having read that diminishing sense of smell is linked to dementia I’m pleased to see such impressive olfactory skills here. I can confirm mine is okay after a big bunch of asparagus yesterday.

    Did a repeat of the 3x1k intervals last night, brought the target down and pretty much nailed it. Looks like the work has paid off a little already. I’m currently doing jury service, which has mainly consisted of sitting around waiting.
  • Cal JonesCal Jones ✭✭✭
    Wow, the trail race was tough! It went into bits of Wimbledon Common I'd never visited before and featured some really steeps ups and downs and a lot of lump dried mud and leg-sapping gravel. I got around in about 44 and a half minutes which I'm fairly pleased with, though I think the winner did it in half the time. Finisher prize was a mug and a chocolate bar (I chose a Snickers, which I've just eaten).
  • JD1JD1 ✭✭✭

    How's your calf Hazelnut?

    Will,congrats on your son smashing his PB,he seems to enjoy his running.

    Great intervals,enrvuk,they're tough but they make you a better runner.

    Great trail race,Cal,gravel is one of the most leg sapping things to run on.I entered a 10k last year and they were saying great PB potential,but they didn't mention the half a mile of gravel we had to run on.

    Didn't have time to go to club intervals,so I did my own on the school sports field.Did pyramids,200m,400m,600m,800m,1000m x 2 and then back down at 5k pace.Finished with some hill sprints

  • Cal JonesCal Jones ✭✭✭
    Well done, JD. A rest day for me today, which I need after yesterday. Ankles are fine (I rolled both of them on one part of the course that had a lot of hard dried pitted mud). My official time was 44:25 so a second quicker than Garmin. I'm OK with that given the terrain and my inexperience on that sort of surface.



    This section was actually the worst, though it's inocuous enough. It's known as the toast rack and is a very thin gravel track that goes up for a long stretch. It isn't steep, but it just goes on, and it's all gravelly. My calves were completely fried on that stretch - I did a 10:15 mile there, my slowest on the course. I wanted to go faster, but I just couldn't. Fortunately I recovered to run an 8 minute final mile once we got onto better ground.
  • HazelnutCHHazelnutCH ✭✭✭
    Seems I don't have too many issues with dementia yet then enrvuk - my sense of smell is in good working order.   Well done on the intervals.  Hope the jury service gets more interesting soon.

    Well done on your trail race Cal.  Another week and you would have been needing a strimmer gang to get along that trail.  Overtaking and being overtaken must have been interesting as it looks quite narrow.  Hope the ankles are okay today.  I always like edible / usable finisher goodies.  

    Nice pyramids JD. Calf feels much better in the meantime - back to the standard low level niggle I just ignore.    

    Was out on Tuesday with my group (a pretty amazing turnout of 12 and we were missing some regulars this week).  Yesterday was a bank holiday for me so no running as out and about in the mountains.  (Will - I was very lucky to see a pair of bearded vultures - fantastic wingspan..)

    Today 8 miles of flat steady running as I have a hill race again tomorrow evening.  I was thinking about extending today's run a bit further but a huge black cloud was rapidly approaching so I did the minimum distance I had set off to do.  (wind and rain a few minutes later were fairly impressive..)
  • Will ClennellWill Clennell ✭✭✭
    edited May 3
    I don't know about gravel, but tried running in my bloody Asics again tonight and they are rubbish. For some reason they make me almost trip over my feet and I keep scuffing along in a most unlike-Kipchoge way. Am retiring them toute suite. 3 ungainly miles, including a stop at the ballot box.
    I run, therefore I am.
  • Cal JonesCal Jones ✭✭✭
    Sounds like they're too heavy for you, Will. One of the reasons I like the Nikes I wear is because they're light. After running in Nike Frees for years, I just can't tolerate a heavy shoe. Most of mine are under 200g.
    Good luck with your hill race, Hazel.
    6 mile recovery run this morning. Grey and uninspiring weather. Felt tired.
  • Will ClennellWill Clennell ✭✭✭
    Maybe that's it, Cal. Whatever it is I'm sticking to my faithful Sauconys. 

    How was the hill race, Hazelnut? What's your secret, living in the land of alps and cuckoo clocks?

    Nice work, JD1 -  sounds like a tough sesh.

    Good nasal work on the asparagus front, enrvuk. I'm yet to sample this year's harvest, but always a good test of the pee powers. I planted a bed in my much neglected allotment 2 years ago, so I may even have my own harvest this year...if I can get my arse down there.

    Well, I've been eating far too much crap and missing the structure of a plan drafted by pencil and paper. So, I've got a plan for the next month up on the fridge and I tend to stick to it if it's there. Working up from 25 to 30 miles a week should get me back in shape, post mara gluttony.

    I started today with 2.5 miles each way to my 'hilly' trail Parkrun at Colney. Squally horrid weather to start with and even had to get the gloves out. I gave it a really good effort and progressed the pace with each mile. I even outsprinted a teenager to the finish line (fist pump x3). Very happy with 25:04, my new 2nd fastest time there. I needed a good few minutes rest before jogging home. To top the satisfaction of the run I also got a running lifer spot - my first ever Reed Warbler whilst running. Whoop.
    I run, therefore I am.
  • HazelnutCHHazelnutCH ✭✭✭
    edited May 4
    I've got a pair of trail shoes that feel very clunky to run in, its not just the weight but the whole feel of the shoe.  They do get the odd outing as I want to get something out of the costs. 

    Good idea with the plan Will.  And a great parkrun with the bonus of a bird spot.  My brother liked to do several lists but has more or less given up these days.

    Hill race went well, came 3rd in my age group with a 2 second course PB for 50:06 for 8km with 445m of ascent.  At least one of my regular and faster rivals was missing so I was lucky.  Legs were a bit unwilling from the outset and the course is a tricky one to pace including one longer climb from km 2-4 and two steep single trail sections on sometimes slippery tracks in the wood which I could just about shuffle jog.  Good team outing with an age group winner for F55 and a 3rd for M65.  3 others also won prizes in the raffle.  Jogged back down to the start rather than taking the sardine-in-the-bus option so sore quads today. 

    Have a good weekend all.
  • Cal JonesCal Jones ✭✭✭
    Nice bird spot, Will. Good parkrun too!

    I visited Pymmes today, its relatively flat, paved course being ideal for testing out my new Vaporflys. I ran my second fastest parkrun, too, in 24:50. Not quite as fast as Osterley but there was a section with a nasty. cold headwind and it killed any hopes I had for a fast finish. Still, happy enough with that and also happy with the shoes. I finished 5th lady and 1st in my age group, though Pymmes is a smaller parkrun (it had around 150 people today).
  • HazelnutCHHazelnutCH ✭✭✭
    Well done Cal. Did you like the VFs?

    Spring has gone on strike here for the weekend, it might even snow a bit tonight. Sleet and 4 degrees this evening for a four mile recovery run. Quads not overly amused by yesterday's activities but started to feel better by the end so I guess I got it more or less right.  Unsurprisingly not much to look at due to the weather. 

    Have a good Sunday.
  • alipat1990alipat1990 ✭✭✭
    Cal, that track looks awful for racing. I can't imagine much overtaking happens along that stretch.

    Good effort on the parkrun Will. Unfortunately all of my "local" parkruns are too far away for me to consider running to them. The closest one is about 7 miles away and that would involve tackling some pretty hazardous roads.

    Well done on the race Hazel.

    So I've got 2 runs to report on. I've been away on holiday this week. Just a few days away in Norfolk. I managed to get out for a little 3 miler early in the week. It was nice to run along the beach and to have a chance of scenery.

    Today I got out for 10 miles. By far my longest run since Manchester. Things felt comfortable during the run, but I've really been suffering with my left knee again since. I've been struggling with it  since Manchester. After a day or two the pain disappears and everything feels normal again. I'm stuck in limbo a bit at the minute between nursing the injury and trying to stick to the training schedule for Derby. 
  • JD1JD1 ✭✭✭

    Great parkrun,Will,always feels great to out sprint a teenager.Usually they start a race like a bat out hell but you can pick them off when they've run out of steam.

    Fantastic race and placing,Hazelnut,the course seemed tough as well.As I left the house early yesterday morning for work I noticed snow on the hills,hopefully this'll be last of it.

    Great parkrun time and well done on the placing,Cal,Bet there were mutterings from runners trying to overtake on that stretch!I was in a running shop in Chester the other week and I noticed how light some of the Nikes were compared to my Sauconys,think mine come in at 225g.So I've decided to get a pair, just for racing,see how they work me.

    Hope your Knee injury clears up,alipat,so you can start training for Derby.

    Just over 8 miles Friday evening,hoped to do 5 @ HMP but had no energy,so just took it easy.


  • Cal JonesCal Jones ✭✭✭
    Hazelnut - they are very nice. Not amazingly different to the Zoom Flys I normally wear for parkruns and races, but softer and lighter. The flyknit is thinner and the midfoot is narrower. I was suprised how noisy they are, though - I've a fairly quiet runner in my Epic Reacts but the plate in these makes quite a slap when it hits the ground.

    Well done on your race. My quads were sore after running on Streatham Common last weekend but not too bad after the trail race on Wednesday. It's colder here too - long sleeves for my last two runs and got the gloves out again for today's.

    JD, which shoes did you get?

    alipat - is it worth seeing a physio? Marathons will take a lot out of you - even when you think you're OK, you're probably not quite recovered. It usually takes me four weeks to feel back to normal. Up until then, niggles will surface. After my first Manchester, I felt fine but then came down with high hamstring tendinopathy and I wasn't able to run further than 13 miles before Liverpool. I got around, but with walking breaks after 20 miles.

    Fingers crossed I seem to have broken the Liverpool curse this time (last year it was a bout of shingles between the two races!) as I've managed a 20 miler this morning. Not bad pacing - did Brockwell route (paved and a bit hilly so good prep for the race) and averaged 10:13 - uphill miles were slower and there were a couple of sub-10s on the downhills. Negative split too. When I think back, I averaged 10:14 for my second marathon (Manchester '17 - the first time I ran all the way). I'm starting to wonder if I can get a PB in Liverpool, but that is rather dependent on the weather staying cooler.
  • HazelnutCHHazelnutCH ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the VF feedback Cal. I haven't yet seen them live.  Sounds like you are in good shape for Liverpool, fingers firmly crossed that lurgies and larger niggles stay well away. 

    Good to see you back Alipat, after your reports of your health issues I was a bit worried you had suddenly gone quiet. Would also advise a trip to the physio if the knee won't settle.  Is it possible the beach run might have aggravated it? They can be hard work and sometimes on a permanent slope.

    We had a sprinkling of snow this morning JD but it quickly melted. Hilltops of our nearest range (Jura, up to 1600m, the nearer bits around 1400m) are pretty white again but it should go quickly.

    Regarding overtaking on narrow trails, for me it really helps if people communicate, if I'm struggling with someone breathing down my neck then I tend to ask if they want to pass and if yes let them do so, on the otherhand if I want to overtake I will ask to do so.  Makes for a much more relaxed race.  I don't like bargers.  Unless it is just one long line of runners then I guess you have to wait for a better stretch.

    10 miles this afternoon, quads still sore from Friday so I took a flat route along a river, also to avoid the gusty wind. Very peaceful few people about, just the river flowing along and lots of birdsong.  Added in a bit of sensible progression to finish off with one km @MP rather than doing the planned strides.
  • Cal JonesCal Jones ✭✭✭
    They're pretty widely available now so I see them everywhere, even on runners slower than me.

    I felt OK this morning so I did a 4 mile recovery run before my pilates class (as it's a bank holiday it was at 8.45 rather than 6.30am). I'll probably take Wednesday as a rest day instead, as it's supposed to chuck it down all day.
  • enrvukenrvuk ✭✭✭
    I did my first Fartlek training on Saturday morning. Kudos for ismoothrun on the Apple Watch for helping. I am far too lazy/unimaginative to make it up as I go along. Went fairly well, but in hindsight I needed to run a bit harder on the 'fast' sections.
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