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Talkback: Lucozade Sport Super Six: Richard (sub-3:15)
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You can let people talk you out of things or you can think "no, **** it. I am going to do this" and set out to achieve your goals.
Hello MM,
Just started reading your thread tonight, I am 43 years old and started running seriously 18 months ago. Did stratford 2009(first marathon) in 3 hours 20 and abingdon (allbiet with 1 1/2 months with not a lot of training due to injury) in 3 hours 16. I am doing stratford again this year with 3 hours 15 being the holy grail, until I break it then it will be 3 hours 10. Our times over other distances very similar, I have 2 kids but I have the "luxury" of 2 girls age 10 and 15. Good luck with your training and hopefully we will both be sub 3 hour 15 by the end of april.
Do you know if you have any weak areas you have to work on or have you got the marathon cracked yet?
1h33 to 3h20 - that's a big fade right there: 14mins?
1h35 to 3h16 - *only*`6mins
those suggest you are getting better at controlling your pace as you went through halfway slower at Abo even though it's a quicker course. I guess if you went through another campaign for Stratford you'd aim for 1h35m again and your endurance you're building up (spring and autumn marathons) over 12 months will see yu go under 3h15. That and the fact you've suffered through 2 already so you know what's coming.
My weaknesses are that my overall av mileage in a campaign is low (30/31mpw) and until 2009 I wasn't doing enough LSR. Also, practicing marathon HR brought me on leaps and bounds for both FLM and Abo in 09. Hopefully being coached by Liz and following an organised programme which was written by Mike Gratton will see me right on the day
I was glad to finish abindgon without stopping, my training consisted of 7 weeks following the RW sub 3 hour 15 training plan and then due to a calf injury running Pewsey, Chippenham and Swindon halfs with a bit a x training but I think this showed with lack of LSR with my struggle during the last 6 at abingdon, up until then I was averaging 7 min 5 secs per mile. Are you following the RW sub 3 hour 15 training plan or is it being tweaked?
I'm being allowed to do club nights on Weds nights and I have a couple of XC league races and the odd 15 mile race and 10k to fit in but nothing I wouldn't be doing if I was following the plan to the letter.
You sound like you have the potential to go well with a bit more training and racing under your belt if you're down to 7m5s pace for your 2nd marathon. If you did Stratford then Abo this year do you think you'd be sailing close to 3h05 at Abo?
BR - It's the whole point of the Super Six thing though isn't it? RW want to increase traffic to the site and Garmin want to flog their GPS units, Adidas want good exposure and Lucozade want to say they fuelled us all as we followed the plan to the letter. It's a bit rich (IMO) to say you're going to do your own thing when there's so much sponsorship behind you.
Well I hope you get what you want given the constraints of doing things to please the sponsors rather than what you know has stood you in good stead in the past. But as TR has said, you've decided to go down a route and I admire people who stick to what they set out to do. Also nice to see the honesty in the quoted paragraph.
I am going to take it one race at a time, Stratford is a harder course than Abingdon, so if stratford goes well hopefully Abingdon will go better. But that is a long way off and anything can happen. I think the ultimate would be to go under three hours, what's your ultimate?
Not running VLM myself still debating whether or not to do Shakespeare , thinking of loosely following this schedule to get me back into some kind of shape after a very lazy December.
Good luck with this Matchstick Man.
"Lazy" probably has different definitions to different people. I suspect that coming from Joe who cycled to the St Albans half from somewhere near Reading it might not be what the rest of us mean by it!
Good luck with the training all you speedy people
Hash - Lazy equals no miles logged at all. I did run but only back from the pub which doesn't really count.
Was the pub in Aberystwyth?
I doubt that it matters, you've got the base fitness there in spades, and besides, the schedules are relatively gentle for the first four weeks. Well, mine is, I'm not sure about Rich's!
Agreed - some great debate and a good host
Looking forward to seeing your progress over the next 16 weeks now you have a plan proper.
I've always maintained that sub 3h15 is possible for an averagely fit married father and once I've done it I'll stop doing marathons. I only race locally (15mile radius tops) which restricts my racing but allows me to spend as much time with the family as possible. Hence why next Saturday at the XC race, I'll be taking the family with me as there's a swimming centre right next door so we can swimming straight afterwards. it's about maximising my leisure time as much as I can
Good luck with the training once your rest period is over
Hi Richard,
Just popping in to say hi and good luck for the next 16 weeks. What a journey it will be!
Your positive outloook is a gift to the other Sixers and your thread.
Get in!!
Mon - nothing
tues- nothing
Wed - nothing
Thurs - 4.43 miles off-road - 35m10s 7m56s pace 169bpm / 179bpm (AV HR / MHR)
Fri - 5.25 miles slow - 45m05s 8m35s pace 157bpm / 170bpm (AV HR / MHR)
Sat - 3.31miles which included a 5m47s mile done at 187bpm / 192bpm (AV HR / MHR)
Sun - nothing
easy week then and ready to crack on with day one, week one tomorrow.
And to continue following the plan to the letter - no lurking. Good debate. Interesting self imposed 1 mile time trial MM. May try it this week, haven't run around a track for donkeys years. May determine my actual state of fitness.
Good luck with the plan MM. 16 weeks tick tock, tick tock....
Windy - I didn't run round a track, just ran round a measure mile circuit near my home that the club uses for mile reps on club nights. It's mostly flat and I only have to cross one junction. Not perfect track conditions but useful nonetheless
Day 1 going ok so far - short 2.5 mile ride into work on the 'cross bike. Too icy to go hell for leather so nice and easy. Tonight is 4 miles easy on the way home
MM - forgotton how much time is taken up when they are young. I work shifts so I can do most of my training when kids are at school. Started the plan this morning at 6am, my daughter goes early morning swimming training, so I run while she swims. Bloody freezing, ended up with frozen hair! Managed a slow 4 and a bit miles, roads were not too treacherous.
Barry B - I was up with Mrs MM at 5.30 a.m this morning as jnr jnr was having another bad night. He seems to feed most of the way through the night which is good for him in terms of being healthy and growing but bad for Mrs MM who gets naff-all sleep most nights. I tried to settle him for 20mins but it didn't work out so Mrs MM came back in to take over again.
Then when I've come into work she's stuck with jnr jnr and jnr snr when she'd rather be asleep
I guess I didn't answer your question properly. I guess my ultimate goal(s) is/are:
Go sub 3h15 on April 25th and then give up marathon running
Concentrate on shorter distances and look to go:
sub 39mins for 10k
sub 30mins for 5 miles
sub 1h25m for a HM
and after that be able to go to local races and be able to be (vaguely) competitive within the constraints of family life
Morning speedy
Just nipping in to wish you all the very best for the start of the journey. Keep the positive mantras coming!