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Welcome Luna Man and DM1974. Much to digest on this thread - a veritable gold mine.
I use the High-5 gels - citrus flavour for general use, and the raspberry caffeine ones for racing. You've actually just reminded me I need to restock.
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I was meaning to ask you a question BOTF. I'm not sure if you've mentioned this before but I was wondering how the raced HM will affect your 20 mile race the week after. You may do few miles a week but you'll certainly be hammering your legs!
Last year these races were the other way round, and the fact that my father was seriously ill meant at times my schedule went out the window and I had to fit things in whenever I could, and I ended up doing a lot in a short period. I ran a very light week before the 20, and because of Dad I hadn't run my scheduled 20's at that point, so I ran it on HR rather than flat out, and was very pleasantly surprised to do 2:23. I did do the first 10 too fast though and slowed a bit towards the end - couldn't stay with Joolska when she came past me, so I'll definitely be looking at a slightly lower HR for the first lap this year. The HM I went banzai for a new 1:26:15 pb, and then I actually followed this with a 21 and a 22 the next 2 weekends. I then had a light week before doing 1:25:15 at Reading. When I came out of this 5 week period I really felt so much stronger and faster, and it was a great confidence booster. I found a hard half nowhere near as tiring as a 20, even a slow one - my legs didn't get as sore and my recovery was defintely faster, so in many regards I actually regarded the half as a light week. Obviously my original plan didn't have so much crammed into such a short period, but having to regularly go home to visit Dad left me with little option If I was to fit enough training in.
This year Wokingham is the week before Bramley, and my schedule has a light week either side. I will do Wokingham flat out as it's a club championship event for me, but again I'll run Bramley to HR and just see how things go. Hopefully this time I'll have 4 x 20 already under my belt which is more than last year, so maybe I won't fade quite so much, but I will run it fairly hard just to find out where I really am.
So when people go on long runs, if you're a gel user do you take gels along with a bottle of water to cover you for 2-3hrs? Or if you mix up sports drink do you take just that or gels as well?
I've never really got this quite sorted or understood the best way to go about it! Ideas appreciated.
Yeah, it does KK. Let's face it, it ain't much use if it doesn't work!
Thanks for the explanation BOTF! Looks like you've got it all covered.
KK I have had to send my garmin back a four times. I have always got it back within a week. and if its within warranty you get a new 1 year warranty.
Ormeski - Each to their own but I never carry drinks/water. If I'm using gels on a run I'll take enough for one after 45 mins then every 30 mins.
KK - That sounds like a good idea, what with Xmas post and the probability of Royal Mail losing it with the extra workload.
BarryB / Ormeski - I never take drinks on my runs either, no matter what the length. I think it's McMillan that says you should always take drinks and electrolytes to prevent dehydration. I intend to do this when my campaign gets going and was looking at some tablet elecs on t'internet the other day. Might get some. McMillan (I think) also says that no carbs on a LSR is a good thing if it's run SLOWLY (Edit: because it encourages the body to burn fat for energy). However, if you plan to do a progressive run or up the pace to MP to finish quicker, you should feed up much like a race scenario. I think this is much like MM says, to protect the body and make sure it's not under undue stress in training.
Ormeski - The only time i've run over 3 hours in training was the 23miles unfuelled last week and no liquid/gels taken, but I made sure I drank plenty of water during the day before the run. Carrying water/drink etc is something I've never done and on long/slow runs i've not found it a problem. I do a lot of my long runs during the summer early doors so due to it being cool it's not an issue for me and most runs at the mo are in the cold so again I've had no concerns.
Just to put RJ's mind at rest, I received my Champs entry form yesterday Now I just need to post the beggar.
On the LSR fuelling front, I'm not too fussed about gels and will happily do an 18 miler without fuel. Tend to take something, even if just a few jelly sweets or diluted fruit juice, for anything over that. Can't do without water, but in fairness a long-term side effect of an illness I had as a kid is a dry mouth, so I like to sip water frequently to alleviate that.
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I ended up running 6 miles in 38:47 including a slower first ½ mile so averaged 6:27. This was at 5am on an empty stomach. It’s certainly not a typical run for week 1 of a 20 week marathon plan!
Gel wise, I go for the SIS gels as they are easier to digest. I've had some chunder experiences with others! I normally only take gels intraiing when I'm doing 18+ miles - proper distances!
B&B - A good 10 miler at nearly PMP. It just shows that you know what your pace feels like without any gadgets to tell you. I think everyone should experience a perceived run to see the results.
KR - Yeah, it would have been nice if it'd turned out to be 7:15mm but It felt very comfortable and I thought I was running somewhere around 7:40's so I was very happy with it.
MsE - I thought I'd have a look out of interest so here's the link to the VLM championship entries.
Whilst training for your championship place MsE, I assume you know about GFA
welcome Lunaman, DM,
great running going on already, if nothing else you lot are going to keep me motivated in the next few months...badbark 6.27 pace at 5am amazing!
Ormeski, sis gels for me too on long runs.
I used to carry fluid with me (bottle lucozade) but i now know the routes that gives me 18-20-22mile runs...I now i hide a bottle about the halfway point, saves carrying it as I'am always wondering if it may alter stride,balance etc and can lead to injury! or so i have read somewhere.
thanks for all the welcomes!
1974 was indeed a good year!
paris this year was a pb for me of 3h27. obviously looking to take quiet a chunk off that to get into the sub 3h15 bracket but i think that with dedication to my training and nutrition it is achievable. i will certainly give it a good crack that is for sure.
i'll be following the rw3h15 schedule on here which is already imported into my garmin ready for the off on 20/12. currently i am following a maintenance schedule that sees me doing on average 60km a week.
@kr - the paris thread is full of lists it just hasn't been posted for a while!
Ormeski - I've always used SIS gels. Experimented with various fluids and have settled on just water - carried on one of those Nathan belt thingies. I'm using gels less and less but to be fair haven't gone above 16 miles since last mara. I 'm planning to try to get less dependent on them but still aim to use them occasionally so if I need them in a race I'm not going to feel funny. Tried camelbak but didn't like having a bigthing on my back.
Thanks for the shoes comments - think I might dabble with something a bit lighter next year
Managed to get outside for the first proper blast in the fresh air for a couple of weeks. 16 along the waterfront in exactly 2 hours.
It's not at all patronising on the poor little ladies. After all, they're made of sugar and spice and all things nice, so they need easy access to the softer toilet paper.
"You've run a 90 minute half marathon? Ooh, well done, you clever little poppet. Here, have a championship entry."