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Congrats on Valencia marathon, heard great reports about it, is that December?
I've read quite a bit about the React shoes, they seem very promising. If they've been reviewed on runrepeat why not put a price watch on there as they'll notify you when your size is available at a better price.
Big G - sounds like it's just an intermittent niggle that you have to put up with. If you can run DD on it there can't be any real damage. Maybe a random piece of loose cartilage. You might find what does aggravate it, it's probably not the running. But if you have a problem in a race again you might need to consult a physio
I had a similar problem with my right knee last year, I consulted my guru friend by email and he went through all the stuff I do, running, pilates etc and suggested that I stop the Yin Yoga for 8 weeks and see if that made a difference and it did, so reluctantly no more Yin Yoga for me as I can't identify which exercise/stretch in Yin Yoga was causing it as the pain would only come on the next day. On a couple of occasions since I've had a twinge usually the day after Pilates but can't recall what I did to cause it, but it's barely a twinge not enough to cause me any concern.
That's a great poster in the bike shop, I think with running shoes it should be x = n + 2 , after all bikes are more expensive than shoes
OTB - enjoy your taper and carbo loading
steven - well that's a good start to your hill training, you'll need a bit more before DD
Very humid this morning, did another short run. Have decided not to run Yeovil tomorrow as don't want any set backs in my training at the moment, pity as I would have like to have run it on fresher legs (i.e. not post DD) but as I'm unfit that would be pointless really.
Good luck to all racing this weekend.
Regarding my knee, I'm wondering if it is related to how I sit in the evenings on the sofa. One end of my sofa is wider so you can put your feet up whilst sitting, but the edge of it comes up to my calves when legs out stretched, so my feet are kind of hanging over. On occasion I get up and the knee is stiff, so it could be related to that. I also tend to have legs crossed, which probably doesn't help.
I did a parkrun this morning, plus a 1.5 mile walk there and back and had no knee issues at all. I ran it decent effort, but no where near flat out and did it in 23:06, so I'm quite happy with that for a finish time as I finished feeling pretty good. Some kind of pace is returning after DD it seems, as on Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday that time wouldn't have been possible!
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Shades, training-type question. After DD you mentioned training to become better on undulating routes, and I actually think this is something I need to work on. On unrunnable/steep uphills I'm fine as I am a quick/strong walker, but I do sometimes struggle a bit on the undulations. How should I work on those; I was thinking that I could just run more undulating routes but keep running at a certain pace, even if the effort doesn't feel easy (so I guess technically it's no longer an easy run)? Or hill repeat/pyramid session on an uphill section? Anything specific?
That's good running at parkrun, will be interesting to see how you do tomorrow. I don't think a couple of the Trotters made it round the 2nd lap of Yeovil last year after doing DD.
Re training on undulating routes: yes, more undulating training routes but you can keep the pace down on the uphills, your legs will still get the training benefit of the hills without pushing your breathing into anaerobic range and then maybe push on a little on the downhills so you get some downhill training too. Or maybe swap your mid week long run for a hilly route and run that at a steady pace (so with effort but not enough to tire you out). And maybe some hillier marathons so you get to run a few hills especially in the latter stages of a race, I think maybe you just haven't done many marathons with hills, (apart from the Cornish of course).
The other day I ran a couple of miles on the Torquay Road then ran through Coffinswell and back, I think that's a good DD type training route, uphills and downhills with a flat warm up and warm down.
Hill reps are great for leg strength but they won't necessarily help when it comes to that tricky bit at DD about 21 miles as you head back onto the moor, I always find that section hard.
A few reps of Powderham Road might help, I run it as a lap. Up Powderham, left at the top and then downhill via Courtenay Road/Church Road to the main road. I haven't tried it the other way round but know I should.
It is a bit difficult to find local hilly marathons as you know, but I can possibly travel for one or two
Nice running, Big G!
And a rather special parkrun for me today, too. Today I chose Southwark, partly because it's one of the more straightforward ones to get to, but also because it marks the start of my running journey. Back in the mists of time (aka the 1980s) my school had its sports day on the track there, and for some reason I was selected to run the 400m (which was the longest race they did). I had no running experience and was pretty awful at PE in general, but I suppose noone else in my house wanted to do it. It was ghastly. It wasn't just that I finished last, but I barely made it around the track. After that I was determined I would do better next year, so I started running around the block, and from there I began to run longer distances.
Back then, running was something I did for fitness and to control my weight, so it wasn't until I hit my 40s that I fell in love with it for real and started doing races. Suffice to say, my teenage self wouldn't have got close to me today, because I ran 25:11 - my fastest parkrun yet.
Now I'm wondering if I can score a birthday PB at next weekend's 10K. If the weather is favourable, I'm going to give it a shot!
Big G-Good luck for tomorrow.
Shades-Pity about Yeovil,hopefully you can get some good mileage in.
10 miles for me today,quite hilly for me with 3 loops of my hills in the middle of it.
I'm up and had breakfast, and will be off to Yeovil fairly soon. Just watching some of Comrades, which is live at the link below. Steve Way is there and hoping to do well, although I haven't seen him or heard him mentioned yet. I think he's hoping for a top 10 finish, at least. Last year he finished 9th (on the "up" run) but from what he's said he has had to do specific training for the "down" run this year. I know last year he made up a lot of places overtaking lots of people to come through the field so fingers crossed he'll do well this year. I believe he hasn't got his medal from last year yet - his is solid gold and the organisers don't let the athletes take them until they've passed drugs tests etc, which can take a while (i.e, weeks) to sort out. So I think he'll be picking up last year's medal this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2H0lyca55Y&feature=youtu.be
Have a good run at Yeovil, I think it'll be fairly warm.
Thanks for the Comrades link I'll watch a bit of that. Steve Way has done a few marathons lately and seems to be running well.
Cal - Valencia is perfect timing for you then and weather should be cool too.
Well done on your parkrun PB. I think I'd be having nightmares if I ran on my school sports ground!
Ian - I'm OK about not doing Yeovil, I know it's the right decision. I have 5 weeks now before my next marathon at Tenby which I intend to do, lovely race. My focus is on training for my 24 hour race now.
I'm sure you'll manage to arrange a trip to Valencia too
Jelly - yes, I've heard Eden is quite a challenging course, I forgot about that race as I don't do off road. Great to see you are back running and racing again
Did my hilly 8 mile route today, most enjoyable
but this one works for me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHIaGZWHslU
Really enjoyed watching the Comrades, Steve Way was in 5th place half an hour ago and moved up to 3rd place, finishing in 5:35, great time for 90km, looking in good shape. I watched most of the last hour and it's hilly, looks like it's on motorway with big long rolling hills.
Shades-I kept it steady around the loops rather than full blast like I used to and it ended up being pretty easy,when I got to the start of the first him I was on 8:35 pace,by the time is done 3 ups and 2 downs id moved up to 8:32.Each loop is about 1.2 miles and has about 120 ft of climb.
That's a much better pace for hills than mine, Ian!
Yeovil marathon done, and I have to say that I found the later stages really tough. It's a two lap course and I got past half way feeling pretty good, but at 15-miles I just seemed to suddenly run out of energy. I even stopped and sat on a wall for 30secs or so. At this point I really could have turned around and walked back to the finish and I have to say that it did cross my mind as I knew the next 10-11 miles were going to be tough. This is in no way a hilly course (only 500ft) but I was just incapable of running the uphill sections and really I walked a large amount of it from 15 miles. Legs were shot, everything was aching, feeling dizzy. Everything was pi$$ing me off; the flies/insects were biting me, the sunny bits felt too bright, the breezy bits too cold, the flat bits too flat, the undulations too hilly, running on my own was crap, running with others was just as crap. Everything! Even at the finish we basically had to go around the running track one way, and then turn around at a cone and go back around it the other (so we had to go around it twice, which I hadn't realised). That really yanked my chain, I can tell you!
I got it done though in 4:18, so obviously not a great time, but it's done. It's a good course and a very friendly well organised event, and I had a burger and ice cream at the finish, which went down a treat. Decent medal and T-Shirt too and I'd do it again as it was a good event, but it was hard work today!
Obviously I knew it was going to be hard after DD, but that doesn't make it any easier when you're out there!
I was there with two other Trotters, and I was last of the three. One lady knocked something like 25mins off of the club's record for the FV55 age group - great running by her, for her first marathon in four years.
Not sure what this means for Dorney Lake. I'll figure it out when I get there, but it's not going to be pretty, I fear. It's 10x2.6-mile out-and-backs, with the outs slightly down hill and the backs slightly up hill. I'm currently thinking about jogging the downs and walking the ups from the start, but I'll just see how I feel on Thursday.
Cal - I saw the girl from your club finish Comrades, she looked really fresh and running strongly.
Big G - I've heard that it's hard to resist the opportunity to return to run Comrades, I had a friend that struggled to make the cut offs and didn't always make it but he went back year after year. I worked out that Steve Way's prize money is about £10k, so a good days work. They spoke about his training, he'd been running on a treadmill with the necessary inclines and in a hot room up to 40 degrees, the commentator said that's a tough way to train if where you live doesn't have hills, she's obviously never been to Dorset. I guess he was training like that to get used to running in the heat.
Well done for completing Yeovil, but I'm not surprised you had such a tough run, DD really does drain all the resources in your body. I've always had to dig deep to just finish. It is a nice race though and well organised. You shouldn't find Dorney Lake as tough, I did it last year (after DD and Yeovil) and I was just caught out by sudden increase in temperature but I felt fine compared to Yeovil. Better do some serious eating to replenish your stores, maybe even some electrolytes if you haven't taken any/much today.
Well done to lady Trotter, that must be JW, she's a great runner.
I found Dorney Lake a dead flat course IMHO, although we had a headwind in one direction and tailwind in the other. I think you're becoming oversensitive to tiny undulations
Yeah, that graph does look like that! I usually like to tell myself that I can walk quickly, but even that wasn't happening today....
For the list, official time was 4:18:06.
I think Steve Way does/did work for a bank so maybe got contacts. He is a great ultra runner. Can't imagine that he enjoys the treadmill training though.
http://eolstoragewe.blob.core.windows.net/wm-695976-cmsimages/ComradesMarathon2018Profile9.pdf
Going back to Yeovil, Adam H broke the course record at Yeovil today in 2:32. That's after winning DD last week and also racing 3 other shorter races during the week, as well as going quickly around a parkrun yesterday (and then onto another race later in the day yesterday). Don't know how he does it!
And on that note, Carla, my clubmate who smashed it at Comrades, had been running 18 days before that from Cape Town to raise money for charity. I mean, bloody hell.
Cal-Your clubmate must be very happy,that's a great run for her.
Adam won Yeovil last year, but was disappointed with his time, after winning DD too and he told me he'd run every day in between. Good prep for his JOGLE next year, he's doing a double JOGLE/LEJOG and hoping to break the record on the LEJOG. He is a fine runner but that's a tough ask.
Very humid out there this morning for my run, had to pick the dead flies out of my sweaty neck when I finished.....such a glamorous sport
I recently read Mimi's book and she set her world record as JOGLE, it is supposed to be faster as LEJOG due to the prevailing wind.