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Pizza... where do I sign up???? however 24 hour format races do not appeal to me in the slightest.
Ian, thats a good finish for the final 5k, it's how I'd have liked to have finished my legs felt a tad tired before the race, they were knackered by the end
Quads, glutes are a bit sore this morning, will go for a run in a bit, have a massage booked for tomorrow so will be a rest day. I keep on saying I need to go to the gym for s&c so will get in on early on Wednesday.
Good old NHS, Elle went to see a specialist about her suspected PF, there is alot of issues with swelling on feet, ankles round the tendons.... needs to have a scan, got her dates and late November.... she has rejoined the gym to start swimming so hopefully she can build a bit of fitness as she has none at the moment and it aide with the weight loss.
Yes and no about hull,it had been crossing my mind this week to fit in another race and I said to myself if I had a good race I'd do it.With going away I don't think the extra 2 weeks to chester will make too much of a difference.
Robert - Nice pic in your new club vest. Your arms look fine to me.
I don't think the free pizza is available for the other runners in the event, the 12 hour, 6 hour and 3 hour races.
That's great that Elle is getting some diagnosis/treatment for her foot problems.
I watched the GNR yesterday I think Mo ran a much better race, less faffing and looking around. I think his coach is working hard with him. Mo is going to run Chicago marathon.
Ian, great news you've entered another marathon. I just saw your comment about changing your target time - are you going to use your Half PB as the predictor, or are you going to subtract a couple of minutes from that due to the wind? Interesting times for you - you've got a massive marathon PB in you, if it all goes well on the day. Personally, I think it's a great idea you've entered Hull with what you've described around work/holdiday etc, and you'll still be in good shape for Chester anyway.
Robert, well done to you too. Sounds like you had a good race.
Big G - re Berlin, I don't know, it used to be on Eurosport didn't it. I don't suppose it will be on YouTube at least not until a couple of days after the event.
Big G-I think it cost me about 90 secs,presuming I get about half back with the tailwind so maybe 1:27:00 is about the time I can get next time.
Based on either of those times most predictors go for 3:01-3:07,the one with a big difference came out at 3:15,they take into account mileage run so is more realistic.But the lack of long runs is worrying me a little as I know they are so important,and my best is currently 3:31 so the thought of running that fast for that long is a little scary.
Ian, a big part of me thinks "go for it". When I went out to try and do 3:15 at Barca, although I blew up and the last 6-miles were crap, I'm still glad I at least tried. You're obviously running really well and so depending on weather etc etc, maybe go out at GFA pace and if you're struggling at 13 miles just ease back a bit to try and enjoy the rest of the race, and you'd still get a PB? I don't know what I'd do?! It's a tough one.
A big part of me also thinks about going for an ambitious time,especially as my best times in races have been when I've ran on the edge,yesterday I went out at 1:28 pace,thinking it was at the top end,as it was it felt quite steady for most of it,and always felt like I had a bit more on the bank,but the marathon is a different beast as we all know so another part is saying take it safe and try and get a safe PB.
As this year's racing is starting to take away (only got 2 booked races left ) I've started looking to next year. So far I've got London marathon and my first double in June and then the BIG one. I've entered the full outlaw ironman distance triathlon in July. I know I can run and I've got to get used to sitting on a saddle for 6+hrs bit at the moment I can't swim more that 400m so lots of work to do. Main thing is figuring out how to plan my life around training for the next 10months ..
The past few weeks I've joined a local running club as I've missed club sessions so lots more speed work done. On Thursday we did a 12 min Cooper test where we run as far as we can in 12min. I got 2.08 miles and my first mile was a new PB of 5:35 so I was really pleased with that. Will repeat the exercise in 3 months to see the progress..
ian sounds like the reviews you've seen mirror those of what I've heard too.
Shades, there is a local 12 hour race (St Albans Stampede) which I may consider next year, chatting to the RD at PArkrun the other week, went on about the food!
Big G have checked for Berlin too, Eurostar (was on 2-3 years ago I think) and Freesports (was on last year) but to no avail. Flotrack which I think is a subscription stream have all the biggies so maybe worth a look. Berlin marathon website not updated with any listings yet either. Would imagine/ hope with Mo running Chicago the BBC may feature Chicago at least on the red button!!!
I have entered two more races this morning, both fairly local again, one was (dec 2nd) Perivale 5 Miler flat and fast and a club championship race, will be a train into London as Ealing (West London).
Also Buntingford 10 a 10 miler to finish the year off Sunday (30th) between xmas and new year, will give me a bit of focus over the festive period I hope!!!! I have looked at the race for the last few years but never entered... I have also been in a bad shape more often than not on the race day which I am determined not to be this time round.
3 miles very gentle and a lot of stretching at the gym this morning.
Robert, looks like you've been looking at the same places as me then. Let's hope Ian's right and it ends up being on the red button. I do vividly remember watching Kipsang on TV the other year - he just looked amazing and so confident as he strode away from the field. He made it look so easy.
Committee meeting tonight. Not really running related but it's amazing what goes on behind the scenes. For example, our website provider is turning off our email servers in a couple of months, so we need to get that sorted so we can keep our email addresses. I offered to come up with some ideas for a way forward, so hopefully one of them will get agreed tonight so I can progress with that. And then the busy part of the year will soon be upon me, as I'll need to start finishing off the Club Champs for this year, whilst coming up with ideas for races for next year. I'm 100% going to suggest putting one or two marathons in, and Chair backs the idea too (that doesn't automatically mean the Committee will go for it though). Trotters obviously love marathons as our club record attendance got broken at City to Sea this year, so I think possibly one road marathon and/or one trail marathon could get added to the existing race categories. Then for those that don't want to do a marathon, they've still got three other races to choose from in those categories. Personally, I don't think it's a valid argument to say "not everyone wants to do a marathon" as it's clear a lot of the club do, both from City to Sea (26 finished the marathon) and DD (29 finished) this year, which are both club records.
It was fun to watch GNR yesterday - Mo did well and was unlucky to just miss out on his PB. His wife did very well too! I couldn't get over the sheer volume of people, though. Shades, do I recall correctly that you've run this and didn't much enjoy it? It looks to me that it would be fun from a community perspective, but rather frustrating if you're a non-elite looking to get a good time.
Berlin looks excellent. My club has a contingent going over - I applied but didn't get in this year (though I had Richmond booked already so I wasn't too disappointed).
Talking of clubs, the guy who does the running results (his run reports are legendary - full of puns and humour) has had enough as they're a lot of work so now a bunch of us are going to be doing it on a rota-basis. I'll be doing the week following Richmond. Quite looking forward to that - I've not done much writing since I worked on my games magazines although I've been known to pen the odd parkrun report.
I had a dreadful sleep last night - went to bed early as I was knackered but woke-up just before 11pm the first time (needed to pee, predictably - had to hydrate a lot after my long run as I'd lost 3 or 4lbs) and then woke up again at 2 and stayed awake. I decided to get up for a bit and ended up staying awake and then going straight to my 6:30 pilates class feeling like I'd just got off a long-haul flight. I slept another hour or two in the morning but still felt crappy, although a bit better after I'd had a little walk. It's rather muggy out there - hope it cools off by the weekend.
Big G I've literally just cracked a joke with my mate about ware champs about what about marathons/ ultras. They say they have increased the number of races from 12 to 13 so it means you don't have to run longer distances of 10miles or a half. By what I've gathered so far from speaking with people at the club marathons and ultra's aren't that high up on most peoples list.
Keith doesn't matter about the course.... do one lap the pizza lol
John well done on the recovery, great to read you've got some plans in place. Hope the recovery continues
Cal Great Northern run isn't a race that appeals to me in the slightest, maybe if it was more local I'd consider it once.
Have seen an advantage of the Great North run, does anyone else look at their stats on Runbritain? Last week my Cambridge half marathon was 12.7% fastest marathon this year... that's dropped to 10.7... Be nice to get inside the top 10% of marathons this year.
Physics is not my strong point but I seem to remember being told that a tailwind equates to about 65% of the force compared to running into a headwind.
I'll chuck my hat in the ring for your predicted marathon time and say 3:12, which would be a very good PB. I've done that by double your half time + 7 minutes and then I've added 10 minutes as you say you haven't done enough mileage/long runs. So I think you should go out at 3:04 pace and expect to lose a bit in the 2nd half.
Big G - I'd forgotten that about Berlin being on the BBC but it isn't usually, it would have been on the Red Button I think. Definitely not on a Freeview, there are no marathons on Freeview otherwise I would record them.
Iain - great news you've entered your first Ironman
Robert - in ultra races 12 hours + the food is so important.
Good news on the race entries.
John - lovely to have you back here again. You certainly have been through the wars and must have required the patience of a saint to get through that injury, but it's paid off. It must feel so good to be back running now again, well done on the 10k. I hope you're not going to play badminton again
Smooth path round a park, tarmac, lit at night, about 700 metres per lap (I think)
Cal - I've never run GNR, I would hate it, so crowded, dull course, overpriced. Not my sort of race at all.
I've done Berlin marathon, I found it a bit crowded so wouldn't do it again, but lovely city and Emmy knew her way round, so had a lovely weekend.
Very strange weather this morning, very strong wind but really warm and muggy, 17 degrees. Autumn is here though the wind has knocked all the conkers off the trees, not comfortable to run on, especially in the dark.
3:04=7m/m pace
I had the classic message yesterday,how can you run so fast but train so slow
Robert - yeah. There are enough half marathons in and around London that I don't need to travel all that way for one, however "iconic".
I wasn't sure I should run today, since I was still tired after my 21er and bout of insomnia. Plus, I seem to have acquired a sore toe. My toenail is still the correct colour but is a little tender, as is the skin around it. I can only imagine some of the downhills I ran on Sunday may have pushed it against the toe box. Oddly, it's only the left big toe - the right one isn't sore. I've never had toenail issues before but I was running exclusively in Frees up until this year, and now the Epics are my main workhorse (they've got 370 miles on them already). They have plenty of room at the ends so not sure why this has happened now.
Anyway, I did what any self-respecting runner would do and put some tape on it. Wore the Frees too, just in case.
GNR doesn’t appeal to me either. Slightly strange I suppose bearing in mind that London Marathon is probably still my favourite race.
Ian, had a bit of a headwind in the final few miles on sunday, my legs were shattered but my pace was 15 seconds slower than my average.
Cal, makes sense to go for a short run just to tick over for fitness purposes, hope the forced cutback week will help at the weekend.
Got my massage booked in about 15 mins, lady called sharon morris, not ran for a few years but still a very reasonable runner https://www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/profile.aspx?athleteid=1140
I'm still deciding if to give a fast 5km race a bash, its a local club championship race and will probably be 3rd Oct, there is another on the 19th Sept but have pencilled in training evenings either side with the club inc my 1st track session. Would like to go sub 21 mins and will have giving it a good go at a couple of parkruns
Ha, ha to the race fast/train slow query
Re marathon time, just wait and see how you are on race morning and what the conditions are like and decide then what you want to do.
Cal - ouch to running in the Vibrams
Re GNR, the time to get over the start line plus the hanging around at the start, they must be there for hours would drive me mad. At the finish then you have to queue for ages to get transport back into Newcastle. And just for a half marathon.
London is overcrowded too and I don't like the noisy crowds, just too much. I prefer a scenic marathon with the odd cow looking over the hedge.
Robert - I think you should target one of those 5k races, you'll be in shape to do a good PB, as long as you don't do the club session the day before
Steve - you are being very patient with your rehab/comeback.
Back at Tuesday Pilates class after a 3 week break, found it really tough but good.
Steve-Really hope you are running again soon,hope the cycling helps when you get going again.
Rob-You should give one of those 5k's ago,be a nice time to get a PB.
GNR has never appealed to me,think it's the costs involved for a half,with travel,race and staying over it would be a lot and I'm not willing to pay that for half.
Shades-I was conscious of not using too much effort even when I seen my time drifting,the only time I did was about the last half mile and I could see the turn off the front and I just wanted the wind over then so pushed to get out.
Happy with how it went though as I was 32nd at half way so overtook 6 by the finish,not many people but it's 20% of the total ahead of me.
Has anyone tried tailwind in races?my local store has some on and I've only heard good things,might get some to try
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Ian, have tried tailwind on a few training runs before NDW50 but decided to stick to my own nutrition. Only heard good reviews from proper runners (not influencer types) Centurion running use it as their choice on their ultra aid stations.
I've managed to swap a few shifts around at work and entered the 5k in October (sept was sold out). £9/£11 is daylight robbery, run round the outside of an industrial estate in Hatfield for 21 minutes at a pace that it's comfortable or enjoyable. Wasn't expecting that to be for than £5!