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Good luck with the MOT.
Cal - hope you'll be able to have your usual Christmas with Colin. Is it because of the additional lockdowns in the Manchester area that might spoil your plans?
I know, progressing on the weight training and running longer runs just doesn't work, my legs are too glycogen depleted to do the long runs.
Big G - thanks, I guessed that your marathon race diary was clear for the next few weeks.
Rcouture - 2.5 mins faster per mile is very impressive, and all at the same effort.
Re panic buying, I know. I think we're all hamsters at heart and have this inbuilt desire to hoard things. I didn't panic buy a single thing back in March so am not doing it now. But I genuinely had toilet roll on this week's shopping list and bought the same size pack I always do. Stocks were not depleted in the shop.
Tough run today,maybe a bit too much good food the last week,even though m6 weight is stable.
Rcouture-Thats a great drop, well done.
Hope people arent panic buying again,guess I'll see on friday when I go back in.
https://www.virginmoneylondonmarathon.com/how-to-enter/good-age-entry/index.html
Has anyone seen this clarified or got thoughts?
Ian - good news on the car.
You'll soon be back to your normal running routine and speed, although yet another taper.
Ian - isn't it table 2 times that applies to you. Sub 3:07:20. Although as LMH has said places will be limited due to the 2020 runners that already have a place.
I understood it that if you get the time by virtual you need the half time as additional verification. Or run a marathon within the time frame. Either will give you the opportunity to apply for GFA, but don't guarantee an entry.
It will be hard for a lot of runners to run GFA in a virtual.
You need to do a good sub 3 for your best chance of getting in.
But it doesn't mean you'll get in, think you'll need sub 3 to be sure.
Apparently a third of the entries for Dorney are aiming for sub 3, so they are probably chasing GFA times too. Don't know about Goodwood.
Big G are the changes something asics have introduced? has there been any mention on runrepeat reviews?
Steve well done on another weeks training, can only imagine it's near impossible to cut down?
Cal as shades said little chance of big marathons for a while. I only have NDW50 to compare but it's a fantastic route and very challenging I did manage to train for Manchester and NDW50 at the same time. Training plan remained the same as previous plans, but did extra back to back long run days to get used to running on tired legs. I think NDW has sold out for 2021 but you could volunteer for 8 hours and get a free place (end of Nov).
Ian well done on the mileage whilst away. Fingers crossed your marathon is running still, do you know if any clubs are doing supported runs for the virtual marathon? Great news about the car! I’ve got till March till mine, not sure if it will go through so may start looking around.
Had a few last days after the long run, should have ran on Monday or Tuesday but found myself stuck to the sofa.
had the email regarding dorney lake marathon, I thought I was going to be able to have somewhere to stash drinks and nutrition, they have said no personal nutrition available.
Getting my head round that as had planned to take my own. It’s water in cups so may involve a stop at the aid station to refill bottle and I’m sure I can carry 5 gels and a couple of tablets in pockets/ hands.
Ian, that is confusing about GFA. If your race goes ahead you’ll just have to go as fast as you can
Young Trotter has pulled out of Wrexham as he says he doesn’t think it’ll go ahead. He did a 31-min 10K, which he called a tempo effort, so he’s obviously in great shape. He’s talking about London 2021 but hopefully he’ll find something before then, maybe in the Spring? Who knows.
Arrived in Exmouth yesterday and the B&B, which is the thing I was worried about the most, is very clean and tidy. They’ve thought of everything down to cleaning the keys and putting the tv remote in a bag, to keep it clean when in use. We had a nice drive up yesterday on the scenic route and stopped for afternoon tea on the way. There’s a nice, clean pub across the road from the guest house so we ate there last night and may do again as it’s really convenient after a day out, as we don’t have to get the car out to find somewhere else.
No, I'm not talking about brands muscling in on products that they know nothing about.
If you have what you think is your perfect road shoe, fit, cushioning, stability features are all just right for you then it makes sense that your ideal trail shoe will be made on the same last and incorporate all the features that are in your road shoe. Then they put a more rugged outsole for grip and a more durable/waterproof upper and you have your perfect trail shoe.
I'm sure your Asics trail shoes are built on one of the lasts of their best selling road shoes. Of course if you're going to run up and down mountains/fells then you'd need a more specialist shoe for that sort of terrain.
Re Dorney, I'd have been surprised if there was a facility for leaving own drinks/food, too many runners doing too many laps I think for that to work. Strange they're using cups, most other races have switched to unopened bottles. I prefer cups, quick swig and run on, annoying to have to open a bottle, some of them are hard to open especially when running.
Big G - I take it that's a typo and you're on Exmoor not in Exmouth
I saw that about YT, I'm sure there'll be another marathon he can do before London 2021.
6 miles today, horrible biting wind, not pleasant at all. I feel a bit weary, don't know why, only a couple of twinges from circuits, nothing to concern me.
6.5 miles yesterday. Following it I’ve decided to set the cliftons aside and go back to the stability Arahis as I’m feeling my left leg across the ITB and back of the knee both during the run and after in a way that feels more than just adapting to the new shoes. Don’t want to take any risks ahead of my half. Will try again after that in the winter but not sure pure neutral shoes are for me. I did a gait analysis about a year ago that showed quite a lot of overpronation but only on my left side. At the time it seemed quite weird in that the foot both pronates and the toes point outwards on impact like a duck. The slight soreness now relates to all those things and my leg just feels...floppier. I assumed that after all this time running and better form it would have gone away but it might just be that I have one leg longer than the other or some old injury.
DT on the 3:15 seems to think the 3:10 virtual guarantees an entry,I will email them and ask,not too sure how quick they will reply but worth a go.I will still be aiming for sub 3,but handy to know incase I struggle at the end.
Elvington are allowing a marathon feed station for own drinks,looking at numbers 150 are doing the full,a few from another club have entered and I know at least 3 will be aiming for sub 3 so could be a help as I know them.
Rcouture, yes, walks and probably a cream tea or two
I'm not suggesting you go down the road of getting orthotics from a podiatrist but you may be able to buy some off the shelf insoles that you could put in the Cliftons to give a little more stability. A friend of mine used to buy those that you mould to the shape of your foot with heat, perhaps something to research if they might help you.
Ian - that's interesting about a 3:10 supposedly guaranteeing entry. Surely that's unfair to runners that get a GFA time in a normal race.
Good that you'll have a special drinks station at Elvington. Dorney has a licence for 800 runners so that's probably why they can't do the same.
How many laps is the Elvington race?
Big G - I was momentarily confused at Exmouth! Enjoy the eating.
Just downloaded the NHS Covid 19 app, quicker and simpler than expected. Says my area is Medium Risk.
Of course the main place where I'm in daily contact with other people is at the leisure centre but I only take my phone there on Wednesdays. There's freedom leaving the phone at home.
It is very unfair to people who do it in a real race,so I could run 26.2 miles around a local park, which may only actually be 25.7m due to GPS and finish in 3:09:59,and someone may run around Dorney and have to run 26.5 due to overtaking etc and take 3:07:31,yet the virtual gets in.
1 thing I will have to watch is that if my watch measures short I need to run extra to make 26.2 if I enter via virtual.
Yes, GPS differences will favour those doing the virtual event, but it's much harder to run a faster time outside of a race environment. I guess if you end up doing the virtual you'd be safer running the distance on your watch that is normally recorded when you do a marathon race, avoid all small laps and tight turns as that could flaw the race distance a bit.
For runners that didn't have a GFA 2020 place before, I can't see that running the Table 1 times in the virtual plus half marathon evidence will guarantee an entry, it will guarantee an application for a GFA place, surely no more. That's how I've interpreted it.
Ian although not in the spirit but if your watch measures 26.2 when you're still running at Elvington then you can stop it and send that it. Good you've practiced laps, I'm not too fussed about laps, easy to break things down and boring races are sometimes good to focus on times.
rcouture forgot to say yesterday, you were enquiring what a good 5km time would be for your. My 10k time 2 years ago was 44:30 mins too and managed a 21:00 for a 5km so your estimate won't be too far off.
Just a push over 4 miles today, wasn't really feeling it so glad its done, will still run a short distance tomorrow and my last longer run (11-12 miles on Saturday) have a massage booked for Monday then keep ticking over till sundays race.
In other news put the oven on, it tricked the electrics and seems the heating element is broken/ not working. Thankfully the other product we have an extended warranty on. 1st October the first time someone can come out.
The laps are short so no need to carry water really, extra weight
Looks like Wrexham won't go ahead, can't really see Wales approving the event.
Well at least you can't get blamed for the washing machine breaking down!
Hope the oven is fixed soon, this is now roast dinner weather.
We just had a power cut, halfway through this post.
If I do virtual I have 2 routes to choose from, my normal park route but it's hiller and a flat route but no protection from the wind so weather dependant, but if they reply and say virtual will count then I will enter the virtual route with my Elvington time.
I agree that it doesn't make sense for virtual to count more,the one thing that's making me think it will count is this wording
The time frame for submitting your qualification evidence for a 2021 Good for Age place is 2-13 November 2020.
Confirmation of your place will be sent to you by Friday 4 December 2020
It doesn't say that on the section under normal GFA,just says we will let you know how to apply by 31st October,I'll be interested to see what London say if they reply though.
Ian - that's not geeky at all. I know from doing track ultras that the extra mileage that a GPS watch adds on is so depressing so it's better to know the facts.
Usually VLM are quite clear with their rules but of course this year has been exceptionally complicated and a whole range of scenarios to deal with.
I do hope that you don't need to do the virtual anyway.
Very chilly wind here, walked to the gym, I was well wrapped up but couldn't get warm and didn't feel brilliant when in the gym. Was doing lighter weights anyway but cut my session to 30 minutes, I feel a bit like I'm getting a cold. The gym was very quiet so I kept away from anyone else. I feel a bit better now I've had a decent lunch, nothing wrong with my appetite.
Ian - All very confusing on the GFA entries. I did look as have the HM time (just!!), but no way I could do a solo sub 3!! You have a great chance though, fingers crossed it goes ahead for you in October.
12 miles today with 5 miles at MP, was a bit windy this week, but splits of 7:01/7:04/7:00/6:50/6:46, felt good and HR was 142/149/146/142/143 which was interesting as HADD suggests 150/155 for MP!
I got the email from ATW last night and saw I was down for an 11am start, which filled me with absolute horror (it's a bit weird...fast peeps off at 9am, then 4 hours plus at 10, then 3-4 hours at 11). I'd put 3:59 down as an estimate but I'm not all that confident of going sub-4 again on a lapped, potentially windy course, especially as I'm carrying niggles, a couple more pounds than Yorkshire and haven't had as good form recently (I went into Yorkshire with some good parkrun times and a HM PB, versus a couple of crap 10K times this around). That and I absolutely despise cups - I always shoot the water up my nose unless I stop to walk which I did in Vienna, so that'll cost me time. (So yeah, very disappointed about the cups decision).
But yes, that start time is awful. Given the fact I've not managed to sleep past 4am for the past week, the idea of not racing until 8 hours after I wake up is pretty bad.
I've been pretty stressed and down in the dumps all day and I didn't manage to get myself out for a run or any kind of exercise (I eventually forced myself to walk to Lidl for a couple of vegetables since I'd run out, but that's as much as I've moved all day).
The good news is that ATW have just emailed me back to say they've updated my time and will update the start page in a couple of days. So hopefully this means I can run at 10am instead. It's not perfect but I've done Liverpool which has a 10 start so I'll cope a bit better, I think.