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Semanya - man or woman?
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TMW is actually right
Sex is physiological
Gender is sociological
Disagree - sometimes it is used that way - more often that not they are used interchangeably.
Separating sex and gender in the way you are is not unproblematic - but my point is that in this case doing so can give the impression that whilst gender might be open to interpretation or change that sex is somehow one or the other - whereas clearly it isn't.
Erm..that's how is described by a specialist in this field on the radio when discussing this
AND it was discussed on 3 different radio stations by 3 different guys who say the same thing
Going to belive them rather
Oooh why thank you!
I think she has a great figure
only kidding PO
I think I'll wait til the official verdict is out before making judgement
Yeh - like they say, right now - it's all speculation
If it comes back and she is a proper "girlie" - I may suggest a lawyer
PO - You still having that friday feeling???
Remember its POETS day so enjoy......
I think this is a really difficult case.
I do think that the tests need to be done for Semenya's benefit as well. The fact is a lot of people will question like they have done for others and if she can turn around and say No I have been checked and am 100% woman then it will help her. Having sdaid that to have the whole thing debated in front of a global audience when it is very personal is dreadful
I think it's appauling that this is such a huge thing. I heard her on the radio last night basically telling everyone to "go to hell". I agree - I think it's disgusting how this is playing out and how the media are blowing it up.
Whether this comes back that she is a girl or not, she has been insulted and embarrassing far beyond what any 18 year old should EVER be
Gaz - I got that Friiiiddaaaayyy feeelin'
Wooaaaah that Friday feeelin'
I got that Friday feeling
Til it's home....home...home
woaaaaah
"disgusting how the media are blowing it up"
lol- have you never read a newspaper before?!
i hope when its all over she slaps an IAAF official
with her massive cock
Would it reach that far?
I can´t believe we´ve got some southafricans around and none linked to this yet:
http://www.sportsscientists.com/
Excellent blog from some southafrican scientists and they write sensible things around this matter too.
It's all rather embarrassing, for all parties involved, obviously mostly the athlete.
It basically boils down to incompence and ignorance from the SA athletics federation. They made statements that they are satisfied that she is entirely female while in the same breath making statements demonstrating a total lack of understanding about the possible complexities.
Why do South African's have to link to anything?
Maybe, some cultures are less inclined to link to things?
I find it commendable
In that link they make some very valid points as stated:
'To put this as simply as possible, there are only four possible scenarios here:
It's not a case of believing one or the other - it's a case the the word can be used differently in different contexts. It's not wrong to say that gender is sociological and sex is physiological - it's just not entirely unproblematic and it doesn't really simplify anything in this case anyway.
You said "It's NOT about ANYONE saying that she was a man and is now a woman. It is purely a question of whether or not she has XX AND XY chromosomes, which means that she has an "unfair" advantage as competitors can ONLY be "purely" female. "
But like Zanz said in the first page or two of this thread - that's not the case - there are plenty of athletes with xy chromosomes allowed to compete as women - there are even men who have had the sex change op who are allowed to compete as women.
I'm too lazy to look back to see if this has been posted already but ....
Caster Semenya is an anagram of 'Yes, a secret man'.
Who'd have thought it?!!!!!!!
Reasonable expectations.
I think it's reasonable to expect people to ask questions if you look and sound like Caster and burst onto the world scene with a WL time.
Doesn't make it any less embarrassing to deal with for the 18yo in question, but I fail to understand why people are so upset with questions being raised, it's simply unreasonable to expect the opposite.