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And my sin............junior baked last night- GF cakes especially for me so I had no choice but have 1........and then another......
There was this article on Runner's World (US) about a vegan ultra marathoner:
http://m.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-242-303--14320-F,00.html
The article itself was boring, but there are a couple of very delicious-looking recipes at the end!
KO's I am with you on the offsetting......Hopefully my 6mile run and 5 mile brisk walk off set the damage!!! Plus I ran 5 miles this morning and did core work pre food so just have to burn off todays cals now.............
Kaz - can you message me your email address for the updates?
The plan is pretty simple. Though I'm probably going to (self) indulge in a spot of navel gazing in explaining it in a few minutes in a new post.
I know there are various views on dietary composition and timing as being prime movers in weight loss/gain but if I keep it simple in terms of kcals in vs out, I think I recognise that I struggle on days where I have a low calorie allowance. On those days I may succeed in 1 day from 3 but in the other 2 I'll get to early evening and feel 'hemmed in' by having few kcals to play with and may end up thinking 'feck it' in response - binge time. If I try to manage that by limiting intake through the day the results are the same - ostensibly I have a high ish number of kcals left but I soon wipe that out through eating anything and everything I can get my hands on.
I need to eat more during the day but still have enough kcals left over so that in the eveing I feel I still have plenty in reserve - that I can have a couple of biscuits/sweets/crisps/toast in order to be eating enough. If I do that I'm not super hungry and prone to evening binges but neither do I feel I'm being restricted.
The only way to achieve that is to earn more kcals. If I run I tend to be ok. If I only go to the gym its more difficult as I burn less but every little helps. Plan is simply to keep increasing the mileage but also get myself to the gym 6 days a week for supplementary stuff. If I burn more energy I don't get massive hunger pangs - if anything it seems to moderate appetite and I feel I'm eating lots.
RS: I do really like your approach, just wish I could adopt it better. I did talk over the sports fasting with physio, and it won't work for me. So, I'm continuing to try the balanced diet + occassional treats approach to teach myself moderation.
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I generally don't discuss this stuff because, well, it's sort of embarrassing, I think I need to start sorting it out so I stop having such an unhealthy attitude towards food and myself. I have a pattern of self-starvation, not only because of body-dysmorphic anorexic tendencies, but also as a self-punishing mechanism. The body-dysmorphic stuff is easy enough to confront: I just have to stand in front of a mirror next to someone I think is thin and then realize that I look similar. And then I have to remind myself that being skinny is not the measure of happiness and a meaningful life.
The more complicated one, and the one that I cling to most, is that for me eating/not-eating has developed into a self-punishing feedback loop. The first part of the feedback loop is that rather than confront things that cause me pain/stress, I just won't eat as a means of redirecting my emotions into a physical manifestation of the pain/stress. In other words, it's much easier to identify and "feel" the physical pain that what's causing me emotional pain. The second part of the feedback loop is that when I inevitably give into the hunger (I do need to eat after all!), I punish myself for not being strong enough to resist, wall up, and ignore the hunger (in reality, it's really punishing myself for not being able to wall up and ignore the emotional pain). The actions of eating/not eating is a negative-reinforcement system that has both helped me and hurt me through my life ("helped me" in the sense that it's been a tool to get me through extremely painful periods; obviously, it's hurt me because I've managed to avoid confronting a lot of things that I need to address to be a happy, healthy person). I'm working with someone who specializes in this sort of thing, so I'm beginning to make progress. But given the pain/stress of the breakup coupled with still living with the ex, I'm finding myself struggling with trying to resist this (very unhealthy) means of coping.
Someone (I can't remember whom, but it was a moment of insight!) earlier noted that it's useful to put these things to words. I suppose it's also useful to admit them to others (you know, in the very private, intimate setting of the Internet). Cognitively, I *understand* all of it and can articulate it (I think) clearly. But emotionally, I've never been able to confront it or sort it out.
Can't help with much of that KO's - I have different food/emotion issues! - but that bit above definitively amused me
KO - good on you for getting it out there! and it definitely helps. Baby steps are what lead us to walking and then running
Sounds like you're dealing with a hell of a lot at the moment. Is there a light at the end of the BF living arrangements tunnel? Have had a few friends in the situation you're in and it's an awful up and down rollercoaster of emotions.
Well, I had a bad lunch today (another burger with chips) but have just spent an hour on the turbo trainer so hopefully that offset it.
KO's as a bloke it is hard to read your heartfelt post. we don't express our feelings and intimate thoughts to each other. but i must say respect to you for getting it all down in writing and i hope the specialist is able to continue helping you in the right direction.
Only as long as you pedalled.
i am being good. rivita with a little bit of cheese this morning before bed. made a smoothie when i got up this afternoon. and have got bran flakes and then tuna salad with me in work tonight.
did some intervals on the treadmill last night, and went swimming this morning before bed. will be running again tonight, and swimming again in the morning.
flights and hotel now booked for the dam. was going to book same hotel as DLR but worried the sound of him munching kebabs at midnight may have kept me awake. so have booked the owl hotel, seems to have good reviews.
I am in the pits of Moving Hell....send gin.....
I'll be back
@KO's - hope you can work everything through.
i have had a good(ish) week so far. monitoring intake at least, just need to knock this late night wine on the head.
running is ramping back up and have swimming and cycling on top as have a tri to do before the dam so hoping to repair some of the damage this week
Allan - kebab munching isn't a euphemism is it? If it isn't it could be.- there are several 'kebab' based variants in the Profanisaurus.
Good day for me yesterday. That is all.
Hi all, thanks very much. I had to get all of that out there, because the problem that I've identified isn't with food per se, it's the actual act of eating/not eating and everything that I've associated with it. So it doesn't matter what I eat, it's simply that I eat.
Alan, the hotel is in a great area, just between the Vondelpark and the Overtoom (a big shopping street that also has a number of excellent restaurants).
DLR: I'm wondering if your idea of a good time is sitting down for a few hours and amassing vocab from the Urban Dictionary.
I favour the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger's_Profanisaurusas my obscentity reference work of choice.
Ah good. Links still aren't working then.
Fail... yes to lose any weight this week - weigh in on Wednesday. I blame it on the peanut butter which now my trainer has cut out of my diet
Yes he is probably right eating about three jars of it in a week probably did account for the lack of weight loss... slight rejig of diet and increase in training program hopefully will shift some of the llbs at next week's weigh in. Started new training program yesterday and was working significantly harder 3,500m rowing added onto the end with bike intervals.
KOS - sounds like you are making some positive moves re eating and are working things out. Go girl.
yer_maj - good luck with the move
Weekend nearly upon us have a good one everyone
Can I join the confessional?
have you sinned?
Marathon Maus wrote (see)
Well, we've generally started with one or more from gluttony, greed or sloth but if you wanted to be more original you could go for acedia?
Have spent this week trying to bring things under control. Haven't counted calories for about 6 months but realise I was kidding myself to think I could trust myself without having some numbers as cold hard facts. Managed a passable week after stepping on the scales and seeing a number that made me gasp in horror. Tonight have eaten 1 Lindor ball. Am holding out to avoid scarfing the lot.
I'm so relieved to hear I'm not the only one who finds it hard.
I'm amazed when people say they have trouble taking on enough calories. Mine seem to disappear pretty bloody quickly, or maybe I'm counting wrong...
Have only run once this week, but that's OK. I can feel the body's not back to normal and I'm giving it as much time as it tells me it needs. And the sniffles have bloody returned. I'd just got over the Paris hacking cough.
That's the short story...long one requires alcohol, which is not really in the plan at the moment.
For what it's worth, I think so often about running with you in Paris. You and Audrey really made the Marathon special for me.
If I were there in person, I'd give you a hug, force feed you with frites slathered with mayo, make you go dancing, match you cocktail for cocktail, and hold your hair back while you puke.
So really, best I'm not there then
Hello peeps. Have put on 1.5kgs since Paris, which for an obviously skinny dude like myself is loads. Just not burning the calories I usually do.
Rob - have you told people about your fancy Body Composition Monitor, as a more insightful device than just measuring mass/ weight? Actually. NGUG has one as well.
Today I weighed in at 68.1kg, 10.1% body fat and 42.9% skeletal muscle. Typically around race time I am 66.5Kg, 8.0% BF and 44.0% SM. It's not a vast difference but for me, it's the fact that this has happened inside 4 weeks. If I have to face the best part of a year without running it could get horrible.
After my achilles operation, I was almost 20% BF...
Anyway, wishing you all lots of fun and higher muscle/ fat ratios, that you get yourselves the bodies that other people dream of/ about... then you can post the pictures.
The omrons with all their fancy wancy figures scare me.
Welcome to the losers, MM. We've all slipped since Paris and getting back on and staying with greatly decreased miles is tough. I had fish and chips tonight
and I want MORE! Hopefully the long bike ride tomorrow will sort it out.
DLR, yes it would appear we have the same version of the Profanisaurus
, and are reading from the same page.
didn't run last night as was a little stiff from intervals the night before. cross trained instead on the rower and x-trainer. then went swimming again this morning. swimming two days in a row has left me a little sore all over.
will be on the treadmill tonight in work for an hour or so, at a reduced pace.
have brought the p&d book in to photocopy the stretching excercise and core excercise pages. will then have to try and find time do do them several times a week.
looking forward to my 4 days off starting sunday. going to do some menu planning tonight so i don't go off the rails while at home.
trouser waistband a little looser at the moment so seem to be going in the right direction.
ps had to use google to find out what you were on about with omrons, thought it was something from DLR's dictionary.