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P&D Spring Marathon Training Thread
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Hi Rachel, I would always use my current paces, which I might then adjust if I did another race and could see that I'd improved. That's one reason to include tune-up races (and some people add a half somewhere prior to race day), so that you can recalculate what your current fitness is as you go.
I suppose some people probably make an exception for marathon pace, and use their target pace rather than a notional 'current fitness' level so they can get a feel for it. But that might be because they're planning to race the marathon at a pace slower than the McMillan calculator suggests.
Freddy - is it 'significanterer' than 52 ?
I had a bit of an accident over the summer which held me back a bit but i believe i've improved, yes. Like you, i think sub 3 will be a stretch but will hopefully get comfortably inside 3:15 GFA.
Recently joined a club myself but only been out for a couple of long runs with them so far.
Are you talking the P&D book ? If so, there are indeed plans in the book. Good ones as well IMHO. If not, i don't know
EDIT - realises this is the P&D thread and you probably do mean the P&D book
Sgb- circa 45 a week. I have always trained to 15 miles anyway and never had a problem with distance/endurance. The reason I am getting some longer runs in now is that I have eight days leave to use by Xmas break which starts on 19 December. Therefore from early to mid October I have been taking a day off a week to run. So far done 16, 18, 20 then 16 today with mp stuff.
Rachel- I have based everything I am doing on my SB half Mara time. I think training to aspirational paces is a recipe for disaster. Hopefully my ability will improve with all this but I would rather wait until I have a race tyime that tells me that.
Rachel - I agree with those who've said you should stick to actual performances.
DT - Thanks. That's a lot, but good for you!
Going back to 20-mile races, the last two years I've done one approximately 6 weeks before the target marathon, and aimed to run at target marathon pace. This year it worked well. Unfortunately that race isn't being run this year. The nearest alternative seems to Surrey Spitfire, which looks good, but 4 weeks away is a bit close.
Any other suggestions? I live in Kent. Runners World doesn't seem to offer any great other suggestions.
Thanks. It's a long way from home, but I'll think about it. There's a very steep hill to climb three times, but otherwise looks OK. How have you found it?
SGB - where in Kent are you ? Thanet 20 is first Sunday in March
Forget about Kent. Any 20mi races in Feb/Mar in the NW?
Or the midlands, or a bit south ie wilts, gloucs, bristol? I have gloucester 20 pencilled in but 4 weeks out still sits a bit uneasy.
There is the Stafford 20 in March also the Ashby 20, both good undulating courses.
Finchley 20 http://www.hillingdonac.co.uk/f20/index.html
Thanks- they are both close enough and give me an extra week.
I was just going to say Ashby 20. There is also the Stamford 30k in Feb.
Stafford 20 might be good for me...9thMar is 20mi with 14@MP in schedule...and stafford isn't a million miles away from me...
i moved that run on a week as i was going to do a half that weekend, however, i think i might do stafford and just get back in line with the schedule and make sure i tick that session off, then perhaps find a 10k the week or two following.
15W - think the Spen 20 in West Yorkshire might be the same date. It's hilly mind!
http://spenac.co.uk/page8.html
DT - good plan - I postponed that 14 mile MP run to do a half last year and that led to pernicious rumours that I hadn't done it!
I have decided to lurk here rather than actively post - I'm having 10 days off running at the end of a busy year and have been spending the morning tweaking my schedule and it looks nothing like a P&D anymore!! I'm following a 10 day cycle instead of weeks (I work 6 on, 4 off), have 4/5 races in the build up, no running at MP in long runs (other than in races) and HMP pace work is in intervals rather than blocks.
I'll still broadly follow the principles regarding pace and mid-cycle med/long runs but that's all really. Good luck to all of you, especially 15W who I hope to see at the VLM finish line with the clock reading 2:44
yes, the concerns over whether you did or did not do it have fed back to me.
A few people on the forum have actually taken the time to PM me, without any encouragement from me, simply to say 'Lit didnt do the 14 mile MP session'.
They're just jealous.
Ryan! Don't go away - about 50% of the autumn thread weren't even doing a marathon at all, let alone a P&D schedule.
Only if you promise not to throw stuff at me for not following the gospel to the letter!
Thank for that NSGNR - that's a bit closer. Is it as hilly as Liversedge half? I'm not a big fan hills...it's the going down bits I don't like, feels like my legs are going to shatter.
Ryan I am still going to post even though I'm not doing a spring marathon. I like it here. Plus, all the other threads are shite.
I've entered a series of 5k night races that take place on a Wednesday night. There are four races in total (one each week for a month) and my aim is to sneak under 21 minutes by the fourth one. It's eyeballs out time.......
Ryan and Tiny...you can post as much as you like...as long as you don't mind being ignored. Part timers.
Who said that?
So the book arrived - I did the standard 'immediately look at the schedules'
I'm currently @ ca. 55 mpw, racing this Sunday, but will then look to build mileage for the next fortnight in prep!
Now to read................./work
mace - I agree Thanet 20 would have been ideal. However, I have been told it won't be run in 2014.