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Tracey Morris
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You're right about the paper flapping about (very distracting, page 3 as well). Oerhaps you do know a bit about training after all.
For example I've read that Ron Hill and Steve Jones did most of their sessions as part of their daily commute. How may of todays current crop have the opportunity to do this?
I am sure most of us can't - I'd be on 500 mile + weeks if I did this!
Her 10k PB is 33:22 (from Good Friday in Salford - that was 9 days before the marathon) and her half-marathon PB is 1:13:44 (from January at the Brass Monkey in York).
Frank Horwill reckons you can predict your marathon time by
a) multiplying your half-marathon time by 2 and adding 6.5 minutes [which would give Tracey 2:33:58], or
b) multiplying your 10k time by 5 and subtracting 10 minutes [which would give Tracey 2:36:50]
Seeing as she did 2:33:51, the half-marathon calculation seems quite accurate, and although these things can never be quite right for everything, it would suggest that she can run a bit faster for 10k.
Chimp, I believe those calculators are fairly accurate at indication potential, but you need the appropiate aerobic training and some people are just better at shorter distances.
PS good to see you had a few pints
not all of us work 9 to 5
Mike, what do you think is the cure for the relative mediocrity of men's marathon running here in the UK, or is there one?
Incidently, I spoke to a group of but 40 marathon runners on the UK squad weekend at Winchester in Feb. and Tracey was there for that, they seemed to take on board the need for hard training and maybe we're starting to see things improve.
Looking in the marathon magazine that came with our entry it was notable that quite a lot of the female contenders were in their 30s. Now I know that distance running is not a sport where you peak early but even so I'd be interested to know the history of these runners. Is there some reason why talented runners are leaving it late to reach their peak - probably too late to really fulfill their potential? Is it the lack of financial reward in running in the UK coupled to there being alternative (I imagine that in say Ethiopia the alternatives to a running career are typically fewer than in the UK) careers means that a lot of out talent is being lost to optometry and who knows what else.
Also as regards training time I'm not sure this is a valid excuse. I do a bit of road cycling and typically good amateurs are putting in many hours training for what is just a hobby - and quite an expensive one too. The equivalent of 100 mile running weeks (in time) is not as unusual as in running. I think most people could spare 90 minutes to two hours a day plus longer sessions at weekends if they really wanted to.
Just a thought but running raises quite a lot of money for charity. I'm not against that but perhaps some of that money should go back into the sport to develop better facilities, club houses etc. Not just for elite or possible elite athletes but things that would benefit all runners - but that would also have a positive benefit to the people who might get to international level? I mean in football local non-league teams raise money for themselves, for the pitch, a small stand, a clubhouse and bar etc - this seems much less the case in running.
All very interesting, ta.
Now that is in place - after 20 years of campaigning the money raised from club promoted events hopefully will go towards developing more coaching infrastructure and support for members.
The sport itself gets the proceeds from the £1 levys to unattached runners, in the last race I organised I signed a check for £700 to UK athletics, multiply this by the number of decent sized races taking place each week.
One thing I can't understand is why UK Athletics doesn't try to create a major event for itself, if private companies can make a living out of creating the LM, Great North Run and the other Great race series events, why isn't the governing body cashing in on it?
You've mentioned that distance runners obviously need to work hard to achieve good performances, but we know it's all too easy to overtrain - so I was wondering, what do you reckon is too much? Is it necessary to train twice a day? How slow is too slow?
I've heard lots of opinions on these matters, but none from anybody elite.
I found the article quite enlightning (boy, speak of training hard!), and I am not ure I feel as cynical about her as I used to.
Speaking of training hard, how much it takes to get to the top and all that, I just wondered whether people knew what's happened to <a>href=2http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/story/0,10082,1187970,00.html">Wang Junxia, the 10k world record holder.
I found the article quite enlightning (boy, speak of training hard!), and I am not ure I feel as cynical about her as I used to.
Speaking of training hard, how much it takes to get to the top and all that, I just wondered whether people knew what's happened to <a>href="http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/story/0,10082,1187970,00.html">Wang Junxia, the 10k world record holder.
I found the article quite enlightning (boy, speak of training hard!), and I am not ure I feel as cynical about her as I used to.
Speaking of training hard, how much it takes to get to the top and all that, I just wondered whether people knew what's happened to <a><href="http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/story/0,10082,1187970,00.html">Wang Junxia, the 10k world record holder.
I found the article quite enlightning (boy, speak of training hard!), and I am not ure I feel as cynical about her as I used to.
:-(
Yes, she was regularly drinking turtle blood. As far as I remember, Kenyan's enjoy drinking goat's blood and wasn't Liz McColgen enjoying black pudding? Must be some magic about it!
What's do you think of her performances? You think they were dodgy?
I think it showed that we always assume that it was the Eastern bloc countries and their 'associates' in places like China that were the main drug abusers, but it happens with African runners as well (especially when they move to America or Europe).
And as for the Americans and their anti-drug 'stance', well that's on another thread.
They can't do that with the running events (although I wouldn't put it past them) so some of the records seem set to stay forever. (And not just those by the Eastern Europeans, the 100m and 200m records are held by a certain Florence Griffith-Joyner).
I agree with Lornah Kiplagat, who by the way just recently broke Paula 5k road world best.
IAFF site: ... [
She has run incredible times, but always I have said: ‘If Paula has done it, in a human way, in human blood, then somebody else can do it’. What she has done has never shaken me at all. I have a lot of respect for what Paula has done. She has taught us there are no limits. The question now is: ‘How many other people can do the same?’ ]