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Ant - looking at your photo, your left arm appears to be plugged into the wall - are you recharging your batteries?
SBD - you've been putting in the hard work for a long time, I'm sure you'll have a good run at Abo. It's a bit like the stock market and shares. You can't predict the future, but your experience will see you through.
B&B - Yes stomach issues have cleared up and I'm back in to the swing again thanks. However, my wife was up in the middle of the night last night puking up bless her, so I hope it's not something doing the rounds in the family?
A steady 13.1 miles on Sunday morning and a good tough 5 x 2000m reps tonight - love it!
Still suffering from the lurgy here, so nothing since last Thursday.
I just finished reading Barefoot Runner by Paul Rambali. It's a biography of double Olympic marathon champion Abebe Bikila, and whilst there's not much to learn from it about running or training, it's a fascinating tale of a complete innocent going all the way to double Olympic marathon champion against the backdrop of the reign of Haile Selassie coming to an end. Can't be too many Olympic champions who were nearly executed for treason! It's written more like a novel than a biography, and I suspect there's a certain amount of poetic license about some of the situations, but worth a couple of quid for the paperback or a trip to the library
LOL Jase
- nuff said about Ant's satorial choices
SBD - I agree with all the points you make. One other you can add to your list is that you are trying to run two marathons in one year, which is quite a challenge mentally as much as physically.
Seems you are in a similar place to where I was for London this year. I also went from five weeks on the injury bench to 40 mpw for London and really suffered from fatigue, particularly in the peak months. That said I got to taper time, felt fine and hit my target.
I think you should just go for it in Abo. You have done the training and you have the running talent to go sub 3.00 - you just need to back yourself to do it.
So, MM bailed out of a HM after 10 miles (after 10 miles, for cock's sake) and SBD is concerned that he's not running as quickly as he'd like to.
But MM's 10 miles were very impressive, and SBD has already detailed 4 very valid and pertinent reasons for his (relative) drop in form.
So please, will you both stop this whining all the live-long day, and just persevere with your bloody training. You're doing just fine.
Needless to say, I'm (sort of) using the old 'cruel to be kind' thing here.
Lots going on. DNS, DNF and difficult races, congrats to the duathlon duo. Not going to go over too much what's already been done to death, but for the peculiar disruptions to the LSR's for headstand repercussions (Jools) and letching (Keir). FW flying along in training and Ant would blend in well with the Dutch in that T-shirt (felt like kicking any Spaniards while wearing it?).
AfE, GNR for you this weekend, I see you've got plenty of miles under the belt (biking), any thoughts on holding onto speed endurance to see you through to the 85? Or is <90 more realistic at the GNR zoo?
My dicky knee has been playing up again and have picked up a calf tweak (whether caused by knee or calf tweak causing knee to play up, unknown). LSR stopped at 16 to avoid further damage and have taken 2 days off to try and get over it. Did think of binning the autumn marafun as current campaign is being held together with elastoplast and ibuprofen. Not good for mental preparation to toe the line.
Went out for a 6.5m tester yesterday, and put a progressive effort together for 5m and 1.5 w/down, splits, 7:38, 7:13, 6:46, 6:40 and 6:29, W/Down 7:52mm.
Knee & calf still niggly, ho hum.
TAR after dishing out 'the cruel to be kind', are you then going to progress to carrot and stick, or just more stick?
Ant - I reckon you chose that colour...there's alot of orange in that room, right down to the details on your socks/trainers. I bet that's chocolate orange cake too innit? Actually, I'd wear that t-shirt.
KR - Glad your lurgy's gone. Shame it appeared during race time.
BOTF - More vitamin C! Not too much though, otherwise the only running you'll do is 'downstairs'.
RJ - Some things shouldn't be mentioned here...and I'm not talking about your ridiculous running ability this time!
RSalter - Well done on a great time - all went to plan huh?
TAR - I've been trying really hard...no, not again...please don't hit me...! Ruling with an iron keyboard.
Windy - Bad luck with your knee. I've been a slave to ibuprofen gel too (thanks for the suggestion a few weeks ago RJ) for the same reason and taking a rest day after every decent session. You still managed a nice run last night though.
Still plugging away to prevent the mara being the death of me. 9.3 last night. 3 w/u, 1.3 w/d and the 5 in the middle at 7:04, 7:18, 7:02, 6:53, 6:35. Managed to jump the back wheel of a wayward, gormless child on his bike during the last quick one too, when I'd have rather trampled him! The best bit about last night was that I've finally found some headphones I can run in! They're Nike over the head ones. I just can't get any inner ear ones to stay in. I must have ear canals like the channel tunnel. That'll save some boredom on the long runs, as I always run alone.
Thanks for all the feedback - I find TARs comment has the most resonance
That's the problem with all these new fangled devices - you end up spending too much time overanalysing the data rather than just getting on with it. Best just get on with it then ...
Managed to get through today's 14 miler. It was a bit of a struggle - the combination of Sunday's race and yesterday's interval session had taken their toll but I felt the better for it afterwards. Only 2 more mid-week 14 milers to go - yipee!
SBD - Just to muddy the waters a bit I'll add my tuppence worth.
Could it be that you are suffering from over training and are fatigued as a result? That you can grind out mile after mile with the endurance that you have built up, but you're struggling to hit the peaks because there are too many peaks (hard sessions) and that you are not recovering sufficiently inbetween.
It's Abo' that your doing (or not) isn't it? How long to go? How many marathons have you done? What is your PB?
Did a club session last night, 5 x 1/2 mile laps of the park, but all done on tarmac paths. Recorded 3:15, 3:13, 3:07, 3:05 & 3:04. Pleased with them as they were all run at less than full out effort, partly from still being cautious with my mara recovery and partly from running in old shoes that I discovered had no cushioning left in them.
OGL - I'm doing the same training that I did for the Brighton campaign but the general environment is more stressful. I feel fatigued in general not just from the training. I don't think I'm doing that many hard sessions - I'm more worried I've been doing too many slow sessions! I'm fine with the general mileage but have just struggled with the higher speed components - tempo runs and faster bits at the end of long runs. I actually enjoyed the HM race in some ways because I was able to lift the speed to a reasonable level - it just wasn't as high as I'd hoped!
Having Fun at Chippenham
Yes - it's Abingdon I'm doing. Brighton was my 1st marathon - 3:05 with a cold in the system! The problem now is that I'm fixated by achieving sub 3:00 and anything less than this would seem like a failure!
Jools - glad to hear things are improving.
SBD - I'm sure all your hard work will pay dividends. However you decide to play it, I hope the fatigue soon disappears and you can find that extra something.
2 x 5mins around field no 2 today, so I may have almost clocked up an entire mile. Incredibly, my muscles started aching. A long, long way to go and I feel like a fraud on the sub 3:15 thread! Still, it's just great to be out there again.
Message received loud and clear TAR!
Having been shocked into training I am now heads down for B'ham. I won't post much but will check in once a week with an overview of the training I think and (in Liz Yelling stylee) give a couple of points as to what went right and what went wrong.
Aim for B'ham HM?
Satisfactory - 89m59s
Happy - 87m22s-89m59s
V pleased - sub 87m21s
MM - Weren't we warned recently about setting various targets, in case when it starts to hurt, your brain makes you settle for the easiest one? Go for 1:27:15 (6:39mm), and do it. Otherwise there's a slap in it from me.
SBD - I can't see that pic - can you post your race number?
OGL - Nice session there, and good to see you so positive again!
Now, then, a word about colour. I didn't choose that colour t-shirt, that was all there was. And what's wrong with orange, anyway? What a dour old lot you Brits are. I should point out that my Mum's Dutch so orange suits me just fine, and that I'm always wanting to kick a few Spaniards, even more so since the World Cup.
More gym today, but since getting back this morning I have been feeling totally knackered and can barely move. Will watch Ajax win and go straight to bed with A Kind of Loving. It's a book.
Sorry - I thought I could link to the photo direct - for the curious I was number 1548! The first picture captures the spirit of the day nicely!
I think Orange is a great colour Ant
Nice pics SBD
The photos for the London Duathlon are on the same link - I was no 241.
"Sort of having fun" in Richmond Park
Absolutely knackered. Been up since 4:30 and just sat down! You'll forgive me for not posting properly as I'd promised. But having had a decent read back and from memory
MM as TAR said, I think you should and probably already have had a big word with yourself about Sunday. Do you think the fact that you'd lost your motivation and mojo in the build up was more due to the fact that you dont have something bigger picture, say a marathon, to focus on.
SBD still a decent time fella on what quite few found a tough course. In terms of where you're at. do you mind me asking just how much more weight you are carrying? As this can have a massive effect on pace/effort not to mention the other things that you brought into the equation. Apparently and for give me if I've got the numbers slightly wrong (I'm readining Racing Weight by Matt Fitzgerald at the moment)a stone extra in weight means you are using 6.5% more energy to run the same pace.
GD nice to see you getting slowly back in to it.
Ant, ditto.
Jools, sorry about your neck injury, one of those freak things I guess. Hope it mends it self in time. When is Koln?
Good training from everyone else notably OGL for getting back out there, Keir, AC and B&B.
Excellent duathlonning GE, Lorenzo. A stunning challenge of endurance - nice cake baking!
hope the lurgy is finally shifting Speedy.
Talking of which, everywhere I go there seems to be people that are ill. and I'm shi&&ing it in case someone passes me on the thing. I really do not want to get ill before Abo! I have pretty much turned into a hypochondirac, I'm well stocked on First Defence.
Apologies if I've missed anyone like I say just to so much going on whilst trying to get tonnes of training in.I did do my first interval session for absolutely yonks on Monday and wow, it was horrible. I'd forgotten how tough the were. I messed it up a little and did them too quick tbh. I was aiming for 8 X 800s and had to bale after 7 averaging 2:35s off c2:10 jog recovery. Pace was allover the shop, because of the wind and did it on road as wlel so had roads to cross which was dicing with death a couple of times.A steadyish 10 @6:57 pace last night and a little 5 mile recovery this evening. Tomorrow is a big session 15 with 10 @marathon effort. It'll be interesting to see what comes out. <a title="Thinking
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SBD I can't tell you anything about conventional mara training but FWIW (a) sounds like you might need a rest (b) it's ages till Abo, far too soon to start writing off your chances in what is traditionally a fast race. It's all to play for, (c) with more maras under you belt it will get easier, not many people are like e.g. Jase and achieve super times so early on.
I don't understand a fixation with sub3, having run 3.02 last year I genuinely can't summon up the motivation to go for 2.59. Each to their own.
Gul - not a fraud, just a runner making a comeback, enjoy it
More importantly - we do actually have ferret racing once a year at our village country show - they race down drainpipes and it can be "relatively" exciting. It's a lot better than sheep racing which was staged on the cricket pitch last year - a total shambles as the sheep stopped to eat the grass. The ferrets are the ones for the connoisseur.
I wonder if RJ goes to bed playing solitare with his cards?
Jools, did you get to see a physio in the end? Have you tried a hot water bottle on it? Hope the run goes well.
Fighting off well with daily Multivits and first defense every 2 hrs. So far so good. On the positive side no running has meant my legs don't ache for the first time in over a month. See how I am tomorrow, but if I am fine I am tempted to do some 1/2m ints with max 2 min recoverys (as suggested by Poacher I think?). However just the typing of this I realise how stupid this is. Perhaps a gentle run instead tomorrow and ints on Friday.
Keep with it Gul. I have just listened to part 1 of Marathon talk podcast with Chris Thompson. A great story for inspiration when coming back from injury.
I would currently gladly accept your C time MM! Hope training goes well.
Cheers KR.
Keir well I have been known to be a bit of an expert at the 'five fingered knuckle shuffle'. I'll get my coat.... and me playing cards. <img />
RJ - Nice intervals. You should do them more often
On the weight front it might be as much as 7 pounds but I've been avoiding the scales since Brighton!
Keir - Get one of those masks the Japanese go around with. And good luck.
Liked the pics, SBD and Lorenzo. In some of them it did actually look as if you were having fun in the conventional sense of the word.
Jase - Yeah, thanks for the info about your hobbies. But just think of all that energy you're wasting and which you may come to rue - especially when it comes to the final spurt...in the races, I mean.
9kms @ 7:30 pace for me this morning round the city centre in horribly humid conditions. Felt a bit sluggish and lazy, and packed it in when 2 or 3 more kms were there for the taking.
Tomorrow I'll do something simiilar, but in race vest and shoes; hopefully this will give me a bit of confidence for Sunday's race, which I'm starting to fear. A lot.
hello all. I have just spent a couple of hours reading back.
Too much to comment on all but a big welcome back to OO and great to hear from Gul again.
For what is is worth, my opinion for SBD; as someone who has raced two marathons in 7 months, I don't think you realise how much the first mara takes out of you, both physically and mentally. It takes a lot longer than 3 weeks to recover. I would suggest really focusing and not doing anything extra during the taper. Set your time goal in the final week after final MR run.
No running for 10 days for me and I have a mixture of guilt and CNBA at the moment.
Garmin 305, back at Garmin
Laptop, back at ASUS
Ship, back at Barcelona
Me, back at windy, wet Liverpool
Daughter, started school this week
I returned home last week and it has been a mad week, I decided to have a break from running and get my head sorted/rest.
After 10 days of no running, maybe not the most sensible time to go and see a physio about niggly calf. The good(?) news is he couldn't find anything obvious wrong, so he thinks maybe a nerve problem rather than tear/strain. Some stretches suggested and that was it. Going to slowly build up the miles again.
Only slight problem, is week on Sun is 10k and I really want to go for a PB, but have done no speed work at all for at least 2 months. Maybe a quickish 90 mins at weekend, then a tempo early next week, then hope for the best.
Hi Scooby, good to hear from you again. Busy times for you. I admire your determination to go for a PB on the back of 'rest training'!
That's just lazy! Too shy to ask, I had to check the time, find the results, get the number and then do a search...some people
RJ - Intervals? Sounds more like 800m training for 2012.
Thanks to all who made me chuckle with their very amusing banter last night!
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well all I can say is what a bunch of arse about the London marathon route:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23878781-what-the-world-wont-see-at-the-2012-marathon.do
great that spectators can get multiple viewings of the athletes (and I will be there!) but:
a) no finish in the stadium
b) no olympic route for London mara 2012
What a pathetic lack of imagination....was planning to run London 2012 but won't bother now...
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AC Unfortunately nothing that British sports/governments do surprise me anymore.
In fact I am more shocked they are not running the entire marathon inside the stadium, so only good honest (i.e. paying) supporters, rather than free loaders get to see it.
Not the first time the marathon hasn't finished in THE Olympic stadium, the 2004 Olympics (Greece) finished in the Panathinaiko Stadium rather than the Olympic Stadium although the stadium was allegedly used for the "1896 Athens Olympics" (wasn't around to witness that though).
Still p*ss poor they can't organise a proper marathon course considering all the tax payers money being thrown at it!!
Still disturbed by the 2012 logo, after being told it looks like the silhouette of Lisa Simpson performing a lewd act!!
I'm just getting through the week nursing the knee, running every other day, 8.5miles last night, 4miles w/up, 4 miles <7mm 0.5m w/down, av. 7:31mm. As we are wasting more tax payers money on the Pope's visit
, hoping for some miraculous cure!!
Scary but true!!
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