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Come on Clearly, no slacking
HR.. amateur analysis - I don't reckon you've been running long enough to have a wear & tear injury of such severity. My guess is that it may be less serious than you first thought.
Good to see CharlieW steadily getting back to it.
Top notch XC racing from Padams & Tiger.
SJ.. nice 17 miler!
Gobi.. as you are a consistent fellow I've got you down for 3:55
DanA's attempts to match LS21's supping efforts duly noted.
Jools.. a very good effort indeed. Quite impressed with the banana, performances like that don't grow on trees.
13m run home from work tonight, wind assisted for a change.
LOL - Funnily enough I did come to the conclusion recently that I simply wasn't training hard enough. I guess this is proof
Nice half Joolska - I got overtaken by a tiger in Dublin a year ago.
Fingers, toes etc. crossed HR - sounds like a second opinion might be a good idea if you haven't already done that.
Nice running from Padams
Mr B - I'd guess that even if you land on your midfoot your heel still hits the ground, it's just that the midfoot hits the ground first.
Was thinking of legoland for my eldests 5th birthday next year - sounds like we should give it a miss.
Thanks for the suggestions for shoulders Gobi, LS21 and TR. As I bimbled along for the second half of my 17 miles yesterday trying all sorts to release the nerve in my left leg I remembered a few more details about the problem and I was misleading you. It's not my shoulders that are the problem (although they don't move like they should, it's my back - in particular the muscles around the spine that don't fire. I got them moving yesterday and briefly had a sight of the promised land before the nerve screamed back
. Anyway, I think I have the next step in the puzzle. For something so simple I do seem to have an awful lot of things to try and remember when I'm running.
Mr Boat - Yeah same here, in some of the photos I look like I am really smacking down heel first and I am pretty sure that I dont so I presume its just the angle that the photo was taken at.
Brian - I am back running fine thanks, I didn't feel bad at all after Abingdon, my calves just felt a little tight. My legs felt a lot worse after running the test olympic marathon in three hours earlier this year.
I think I am going to try and enter the Brass Monkey again this year and maybe this time I will see why it is so incredibly popular. Maybe like me they think that by entering it will encourage sensible behaviour over the holidays.
Still trying to build some sort of base to see if my attempt will still be on the cards in December. Jogged Beachy Head very gently due to lack of distance work but finished comfortably enough to wander back up the hill to see others in....rest and trip home yesterday with a swim last night then track tonight and surprisingly fresh. Cant keep up with the teenagers but wasn't last so happy with that. Aerobic stuff tomorrow.
Quick question on HR before I leave you in peace again. Jogged Beachy Marathon on Saturday with a HR av of 130 and a max of 150, didnt push it so nothing wrong with that as it was purely for some strength work but struggled to get above 156/157 tonight on the track pyramid session. so is it likely because my legs were tired and couldn't get my effort levels up there (200,s 400,s and 800's all coming in around 22 secs for the 100 over all the distances) or am I stuck at that level because of my age (56) I know the ball park figure of 220 - age puts me about there but was happily maxing at about 175 during last years training.
Did my last hard session ahead of Saturday 6 x 3 mins off 2 min recoveries. Basically 5km pace with the last few reps a little faster.
Legs feel good at speed, it was VERY flat though.
Clearly - get to the back stretches then. I'm sure a 5 yr old would love Legoland, I was more like 35 when I first went !
I'm with Wardi on his comment about HR (tried not to comment myself)
I'm also with Wardi about Gobi's 3:55, shouldnt have said that Gobi. It was like me telling JH1 I wanted to beat the 5:17 he set ofr me, or me saying that I'm not going to beat 2:52 to 2:55 over 26.2
MrB - your feet worked well enough last weekend, as long as your legs still put right after left then that'd good enough for me
my legs are starting to respond a bit to some more regular running , 8M more bagged on the hill this morning
turning 40 and winning the RWC does not make for a healthy weekend. be glad to get back into some light jogging soon - but still recovering from the weekend!
soudns like some nice XC racing from some folks - and a v tidy half from Jools on a tough course.
Gobi sounds like you are sharpening nicely for the weekend, good luck, hope the dreaded cramp stays away and you get through un injured. Nice to see more miles coming in from Wardi and TR too.
Mr Boat -- the wear on my shoes (and feet) suggests all the action is on the outer edge of my mid/fore-foot, yet in some pictures I am landing heel first and in others I'm not. Also, I do get wear on the outer edge of my heel at a strange angle, with bits of chaff showing that it is sheared off, i.e. I am sometimes scraping the edge of my heel on the ground before landing properly.
Speaking of bananas, I was mere seconds ahead of a well-publicised spiderman in VLM2011. I'm sure he'd have "reeled me in" given a few hundred metres more...
Another 3M this morning, still odd aches and pains though. Nothing tomorrow, trying to be cautious.
Following a visit to another thread on here I discovered a banana was targetting a similar time as myself at this year's Bath Half. At the start I saw him dissappear into the distance ahead of me and was very pleased to pass him on about 7 or 8 miles, not before draughting off of him for a few metres. I Had allsorts go past me on the Embankment this year including least two fairies, and a viking did me in the last few hundred metres all caught on tv. Remember having a conversation with CRAB about fancy dress runners mixing it with serious club runners who have trained to the max only to be jogged past by someone dressed as a fairy...doesn't bother me that much really; as long as they keep out of the finishing photos
Morning
Another 8 miles this morning legs still feel a bit tired though.
I also got beat by a Superman in the VLM 2009
he was running a round 2.55 pace!
Gobi good luck for Snowdonia. Rather you than me. Don't think my legs would ever recover from something like that!
Happy belated Birthday selbs
I only managed to beat Fred Flintstone at VLM this year because he dropped his club yards from the finish.
I seem to recall a Santa at Toronto Waterfront Marathon 2010 who must have been running at sub 2:15 pace in the early stages of the race. Haven't seen him mentioned since as a record holder, maybe his beard wasn't regulation length...
Have to say I'm loving just doing a few miles when I feel like it without a watch at the moment. Off to Nepal and India for a few weeks soon, after that I think it will be time to get some professional advice about my very persistent groin problem.
Good luck for Sunday Gobi
Seem to remember Dave Norman and friends doing some race in fancy dress last year on a stag do and taking 5 out of the top 6 places.
Ah, here it is. A funny read.
Evening all
Gobi- good to see the confidence is back for Saturday
Look forward to meeting up
FR.. envious of your foreign trip, Nepal is one of my favourite countries. I'm sure you will find a local witch doctor willing to smear magical sacrificial fluids onto your groin.
Happy birthday Selbs.
Nice early miles Tiger & TR, good to see you wearing out your only pair of trainers again TR.
Gobi.. there is a sub 4 thread if you need any last minute tips.
All the best for Saturday, what's the forecast like?
7m club run tonight in the midst of a very bright & noisy thunder & lightning storm. Got home 2 minutes before it hissed it down.
A thought occurred to me earlier re: over distance training. In all other distances we over train. I know the marathon is a different beast but why would it not be reasonable to run a marathon or slightly over distance in training? I guess this has been asked before but these kind of debates change over time. My particular reason for asking is that I think this is a possible reason I tale off so much during races... recovery is the biggest issue I guess?
Speaking of costume wearing runners. Mrs SJ was stood on Tower Bridge in 2010 and snapped Danger Mouse. To her complete amazement I was in the shot just passing DM. She had not seen me and totally fluked a great shot... made better by that coincidence.
5 miles yesterday and this morning to and from work and a 7 tonight with 4 @ sub 7min/mile (this is current tempo pace
Just in case :¬)
Never run 20 miles at MP without it being in a marathon furthest I get is a half at MP inside a 20 mile run. I can'r run 13 at MP without a number on.
Morning
morning - just a quicky to say Brass monkey entries seem to have opened early for some reason - well i got mine through anyway
Morning chaps, I'm in the Brass Monkey
I think 10-12 miles at MP in training is a must. This session seemed to enable me to get thru the marathon without getting cramp, after suffering for 10 years. I agree that to do these runs with a number on is much easier, but it's also easier to go too fast.
I like to run my 20milers progressively, or in a 2M hard/easy format in traiining, and generally like to do 1 20 mile race, where I will do it either at MP, or progressively ending at MP, depending on how I feel at the time. I think If you are in shape, then there's no problem running 20 at mp no closer than 4 weeks.
Jason d (erulo ?)
Wardi – those trainers copped a right dunking this morning.
SJ – I did 26.5 at approx MP +60 sec 5 weeks out last yr (a week after MMH), Marigold did similar. CW also did a similar distance although I think he does his quicker. Not sure I’d do it again (without a number on).
Backed up y’days 8M on the hill with 9 more (wet miles) today. Legs are toughening up nicely, I’ll be able to start commuting soon. After 5 months of approx 75 M/month, I’m on target to be in the 140s for this month, and should be ready for the 200s in the New Year.