Are you and "in" or an "out"?

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  • YnnecYnnec ✭✭✭
    edited February 7
    Well said, Mr Tusk.

    Finally, a tweet from a "Donald" that actually made sense.
  • ScreamapillarScreamapillar ✭✭✭
    edited February 28
    2308 said:

    This country is rife with ordinary people who are tired of having foreigners dumped here, and the Government not only not doing anything about it but not even having the means to do so, against a background claim of intending to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands, which is actually impossible if anyone from the EU can come here and any non-EU person can gain EU citizenship eventually in order to come here, and slowly committing genocide of the British people by that route.

    Brexit is a reaction to immigration, mainly. Yes, it's an "intelligent" position for the ordinary people to have adopted. What's the alternative? A quarter of a million a year being dumped on us every year, year after year, into the future, never ceasing, no limit to it - ordinary British people needing two incomes rather than one to buy a house,so the British woman can't afford to stop work to start a family at a young enough age, having to stay in a job: so fewer and fewer Brits being born, and our island being slowly, gradually, inexorably stolen away from us by wave after wave of migrants? People voted for Brexit mostly as a reaction to that.

    Contrast with the ordinary British people who want Brexit the "elite" and "business" class who want to remain. They don't care about the ordinary people, they care about their own selfish interests. They are quite happy to employ a 25 year old German in preference  to a 55 year old Brit and not think twice about doing that. They couldn't care less about the ordinary person who is trying to protect him or herself and their job and way of life by exiting the EU before it's too late.

    As Evan Davis said on the radio the other day, Brexit isn't one argument, it's a hundred different arguments all rolled into one.

    The "elite" and "business" class will deprive us of Brexit if they can find a way to do it.


    Tired Brexit cliches that I've read about a million times: "immigration", blah blah; "elites" blah blah: "ordinary people" blah blah.  I don't know how you define "ordinary people" but the stats, should you care to find them on the LSE website, show that most Brexit voters were middle class, not working class - so if that's what you mean, you're wide of the mark. 

    Brexit won't stop immigration, it will mean fewer Europeans and more people from India and other parts of the commonwealth. That doesn't bother me - I suspect it might bother you, because when you talk about the "genocide " of Brits and "fewer Brits being born" what you mean is white people. Read this and weep: 

    Office of National Statistics: The net migration figures for the year ending September 2018 were 57,000 from the EU and 261,000 from outside the EU. A total of 318,000 - EU 18%, non-EU 82%.

    Brexit is a right-wing project. It's also part of an insidious drive to remove women from the workplace and keep them at home, wiping the arses of babies and elderly relatives, as your comment suggests. Basically, the domain of insecure, ageing white men shit-scared of women, brown people and change. 
  • 23082308 ✭✭✭

    The Times today (9 May 2019, page 4):

    "Up to 75% of babies are born to migrant mothers in parts of UK

    About three quarters of babies were born to mothers from overseas in 2017 in some parts of England, according to official statistics published yesterday.

    Almost 30 per cent of births in the country were to women born outside Britain, with even higher figures in parts of London and other big cities.

    About 58 per cent of births in the capital were to foreign-born women, rising to a record 76 per cent in the borough of Brent. In the boroughs of Ealing, Westminster, Harrow and Newham more than 70 per cent of births were to foreign-born women.

    Slough was the local authority outside London with the highest proportion, at 63 per cent.

    Births to foreign-born mothers have risen by a fifth in the past decade, helping to drive up demand for school places. […]

    Women born outside Britain had 189,000 babies in England in 2017, 20 per cent more than in 2007, the Office for National Statistics said. The main change had been in the number of births to women from other EU countries. The number of births to mothers from outside the bloc remained fairly stable. Over the same period births to UK-born mothers fell by 8 per cent, from 498,000 to 458,000. […]

    The increase in the numbers of births to foreign-born mothers has largely been driven by a rise in the number of women of child-bearing age in the population, rather than a rise in the number of children they are having.

    In January last year about 310,000, or 7 per cent, of children in state-funded primary schools had been born outside Britain. The figure was 280,000, or 10 per cent, in state-funded secondary schools. About half were from other EU countries.

    […]"

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    When I talk about the "genocide" of Brits, I don't mean "white people", I mean the effect of the above on the British people as a racial group, spread over a period of time (50 to 100 years - e.g. 1960 to 2060). It is systematic population replacement - the British as a racial group destroyed as a racial group to make way for others. Britain made expansion space for millions of others to come and seize a slice each and and expand into, at the expense of the British people who were here previously - meaning the white North European people who were here before about 1965 and their descendants. 

    At the same time, a person is systematically silenced with labels like "racist" or (see above) "bigot" or (see Screamapilla post) ridicule, if they dare to stick their heads above the parapet to complain about what's being done to the British people: the fact that their territory is being systematically stolen away very very quickly, without any protection for the racial group.

    It's a tragedy.

  • HA77HA77 ✭✭✭
    Colin, you're back!!!
  • 23082308 ✭✭✭

    Not as such.


    I found a message to me on this thread from Screamapillar just now , "because when you talk about the "genocide " of Brits and "fewer Brits being born" what you mean is white people."


    As I didn't mean just "white people",  or even say "white people", I replied to that.

  • YnnecYnnec ✭✭✭
    edited May 9
    2308 said:

    a person is systematically silenced with labels like "racist" 

    Is it any wonder when you say:
    2308 said:
    And it seems a fair bet that JT141 isn't white British either.
    suggesting that non-white British residents are inferior.

    &
    2308 said:
    Are you even British, Ynnec? Are you even white?
    once again intimating non-white British residents are inferior.

    And then today:
    2308 said:

    When I talk about the "genocide" of Brits, I don't mean "white people"

    Do as you promised in December:
    2308 said:

    Last post. Goodbye.
    and go away you bitter racist clown. 
  • skottyskotty ✭✭✭
    Only this week a baby called Archie was born to a migrant mother. Parents are benefits scroungers.  
  • Stevie  GStevie G ✭✭✭
    One of the all time worst posters..an absolute horlicks of a character
  • ScreamapillarScreamapillar ✭✭✭
    2308 said:

    Not as such.


    I found a message to me on this thread from Screamapillar just now , "because when you talk about the "genocide " of Brits and "fewer Brits being born" what you mean is white people."


    As I didn't mean just "white people",  or even say "white people", I replied to that.

    "The British" are a nationality, not a racial group. You specifically mention in your post the "replacement" of white northern Europeans because that's what bothers you. 

    Here's the thing: immigrants, whatever their colour or nationality, if they settle and have kids, are basically giving birth to British people. You aren't worried about "British" people, you're worried about white people.

    So stop talking bollocks. You have "racist" written through you like Brighton rock. 
  • YnnecYnnec ✭✭✭
    edited May 13
    Colin keeps mentioning his (and his ilk's) conveniently warped interpretation of "genocide"*; yet there's no "killing" involved. I'd be interested to see which of the ethnic categories (most of which are "British") on the 2011 Census he'd invite onto his Ark (no doubt painted white) to sail above the waves of his perceived *cough* "genocide".

    You're a complete and utter twat, Mr McLoughlin.

    *

  • GuarddogGuarddog ✭✭✭
    I initially resisted the temptation to reply on this, thinking that this is, ultimately a site concerned with running and I didn't want to feed this as a debate.

    However the use of the word "genocide" concerned me as well. Along with being a completely inappropriate word to use (especially in how it lessens actual acts of genocide) it is just such language that might give someone a sense of legitimacy in carrying out an act, i.e. the murder of Jo Cox.
  • Niall1980Niall1980 ✭✭
    Genocide? Seriously
  • 23082308 ✭✭✭
     
    "The British" are a nationality, not a racial group. You specifically mention in your post the "replacement" of white northern Europeans because that's what bothers you. 

    Here's the thing: immigrants, whatever their colour or nationality, if they settle and have kids, are basically giving birth to British people. You aren't worried about "British" people, you're worried about white people.

    So stop talking bollocks. You have "racist" written through you like Brighton rock. 

    You don't, of course, disclose your own name, ethnic origins, or skin colour, in attacking me. These details are conveniently hidden behind the "Screamapillar" façade. Funny, that. Why don't you declare your own interest, so we can see if actually you have a pre-existing bias here.

    What I'm "worried about" is, the people who were here first and their descendants having their territory systematically stolen by migrants coming and stealing the space, in a migration process that is extreme, one way, continuous, severe, and there's never any stop to it.

    World population in the 1960s was three billion. It is now nine billion. Absurdly, that's a trebling of the world population in my lifetime. Have a think about that. And a lot of the world is less pleasant to live in than here. So of course people are going to continue to come, to come, to come, and steal the space, and destroy the racial group that was here first in order to seize their lands. Our land is their expansion space. They can come and take a slice each, and there's no end to it. How is that fair?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population#/media/File:World_population_v3.svg

    The vast ongoing migration invasion depends on putting people who have a problem with it down with labels like "racist" (not used merely as a benign description, but used to suggest there must be something wrong with the person and their thinking) in order to silence them. So you jump on that bandwagon. Such has it always been on this website.

    Part of the problem is that the British government has never cared since the 1960s about the British as a racial group. They are only too happy to destroy that racial group over a period of time (actually, about a hundred years) and give away the territory to other racial groups who want it as their expansion space, without the consent of the people who were here first. It was pretended to us four or five years ago that the Tories would get inward migration down to the "tens of thousands" per annum, but of course that hasn't happened. We were told we would "Brexit", which would at least close the automatic right of the rest of Europe (and whoever has settled there) coming here, "removing freedom of movement", but that hasn't happened. Our politicians are hell-bent on our own destruction, and our territory pretty much being given away to whoever wants to come from overseas and take a slice.

    In the meantime the genocide of the British people (the people who comprised a distinct racial group up to the 1960s) continues,  and continues, and continues.

  • 23082308 ✭✭✭
    Ynnec said:
    Colin keeps mentioning his (and his ilk's) conveniently warped interpretation of "genocide"*; yet there's no "killing" involved. I'd be interested to see which of the ethnic categories (most of which are "British") on the 2011 Census he'd invite onto his Ark (no doubt painted white) to sail above the waves of his perceived *cough* "genocide".

    You're a complete and utter twat, Mr McLoughlin.

    *

    The meaning of "genocide" isn't confined to actual killing. There are a lot more subtle ways to destroy a racial group than kill them.


    See the Genocide Convention of 1948.

    Genocide is defined to include, "(c)  Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;..."


    The 1960s British as a racial group are having conditions of life imposed on them by their own government without their consent, ongoing, intended to destroy them as a racial group - namely massive ongoing large-scale immigration.

    You can't be a race without a base, but that base is being slowly, inexorably, unendingly given away. The British (the original occupants of these islands) never consented to that. At the end of the process we are destroyed as a racial group.

    Yes, it's genocide.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention

  • YnnecYnnec ✭✭✭
    edited May 24
    • You'll be the only resident
    • You'll have full control over immigration
    • You can carry out eugenics experiments on yourself
    • You can ban runners running on the road
    • You can ban people wearing offensive xmas jumpers
    There's one major perk for the rest of us:
    • You'll have fucked-off to somewhere else
    Seriously, start a GofundMe campaign and I'll happily donate a ton.
  • 23082308 ✭✭✭

    Ynnec, you didn't admit you got the genocide definition wrong. Who's a "complete and utter twat" in reality, then?



    Hey, also, did you see the Indian election outcome coverage on TV yesterday?

    There were numerous bits of filmage of the population. The locals. All one point two billion of them, or however many it's shot up to by now.

    And you know what? They ALL LOOKED INDIAN!

    Not a non-Indian face among them. Millions and millions of Indian faces, juxtaposed, on camera. Pretty much nothing else.

    And I expect you could probably say the same about China - full of Chinese, an undisturbed race with a base.

    And many other parts of Asia.

    And Africa.

    And South America. Populations that have almost undisturbed racial groups, who are allowed to live peaceably as a people.


    It's remarkable that other countries' populations have been allowed to exist as a racial group undisturbed, yet this place gets inundated and given away, and we're supposed to consider our own destruction as a racial group fair. It isn't fair! We just get shouted down at every twist and turn if we have a problem with it.


    Nick Griffin rightly asked, a few years ago, "how many more are coming here." And the answer is, it's never ending. Slice by slice, it will be taken away.

  • YnnecYnnec ✭✭✭
    edited May 24
    2308 said:

    Ynnec, you didn't admit you got the genocide definition wrong. Who's a "complete and utter twat" in reality, then?

    Take your warped case, interpretation and protestations to the UN then, Colin. Be prepared for the laughter that ensues. Don't tell me though, their judgement will be flawed as they aren't all white.

    Nope, you're still a complete and utter twat. 
  • HA77HA77 ✭✭✭
    I like the look of that Island. I think I could happily live there. Colin would spoil it. 

    Colin - You may disapprove of immigration and you may be able to argue that it's changing the cultural identity of Britain but I don't think anyone of sane mind would consider genocide an accurate term. Even your definition doesn't fit. Noone is "Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part". Regardless on what you think is going on, it certainly isn't a deliberate act. 

    Anyway as an immigrant myself, I'm a part of the problem I guess.
  • 23082308 ✭✭✭
    Guarddog said:
    I initially resisted the temptation to reply on this, thinking that this is, ultimately a site concerned with running and I didn't want to feed this as a debate.

    However the use of the word "genocide" concerned me as well. Along with being a completely inappropriate word to use (especially in how it lessens actual acts of genocide) it is just such language that might give someone a sense of legitimacy in carrying out an act, i.e. the murder of Jo Cox.

    See above. The word "genocide" has multiple meanings. Article 2 of the Convention defines genocide as

    ... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
    — Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2 




    The white British who were here first are being systematically destroyed as a racial group, by migrants being deliberately poured on top of us by people who pretend to be a democratic government but actually don't bother asking ) what we wanted, racially speaking, or want -  in an endless, unceasing torrent.
    It isn't being done instantly, it's being done subtly, over about a hundred years. More and more people are dumped on top of us, so that eventually we, the white British, conveniently disappear. Over time our racial significance gets diluted, and diluted, our base is given away. The end.

     
  • 2308 said:

    And South America. Populations that have almost undisturbed racial groups, who are allowed to live peaceably as a people.

    I actually laughed out loud at that one.  You really have no idea of history, do you Colin?
  • senidMsenidM ✭✭✭
    "South American Populations" ask the indigenous inhabitants what they think of the Iberian colonists? FFS 2308 you know nothing of history.

    Take a dna test to see where your ancestors came from, odds are incredibly high that you will have scandinavian or european ancestors, or heavens forbid olive skinned mediterraneans.

    As an immigrant living in England I find your comments only exceed in their offensiveness by their ignorance. 
  • 23082308 ✭✭✭


    Like I said, a tragedy.

  • YnnecYnnec ✭✭✭
    What colour are the trees in your World, Colin?
  • YnnecYnnec ✭✭✭
    RicF said:
    You gonna flesh out those links with a few independent thoughts, Ric? I'd be particularly interested as to why you're a "Q-Anon" & "Deep-State" believer - the former hits a 10/10 on the BatshitCrazyOmeter.

    Nice to see you've ceased your self-imposed sulking abstinence btw.
  • ScreamapillarScreamapillar ✭✭✭
    edited May 28
    2308 said:
     
    "The British" are a nationality, not a racial group. You specifically mention in your post the "replacement" of white northern Europeans because that's what bothers you. 

    Here's the thing: immigrants, whatever their colour or nationality, if they settle and have kids, are basically giving birth to British people. You aren't worried about "British" people, you're worried about white people.

    So stop talking bollocks. You have "racist" written through you like Brighton rock. 

    You don't, of course, disclose your own name, ethnic origins, or skin colour, in attacking me. These details are conveniently hidden behind the "Screamapillar" façade. Funny, that. Why don't you declare your own interest, so we can see if actually you have a pre-existing bias here.

    What I'm "worried about" is, the people who were here first and their descendants having their territory systematically stolen by migrants coming and stealing the space, in a migration process that is extreme, one way, continuous, severe, and there's never any stop to it.

    World population in the 1960s was three billion. It is now nine billion. Absurdly, that's a trebling of the world population in my lifetime. Have a think about that. And a lot of the world is less pleasant to live in than here. So of course people are going to continue to come, to come, to come, and steal the space, and destroy the racial group that was here first in order to seize their lands. Our land is their expansion space. They can come and take a slice each, and there's no end to it. How is that fair?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population#/media/File:World_population_v3.svg

    The vast ongoing migration invasion depends on putting people who have a problem with it down with labels like "racist" (not used merely as a benign description, but used to suggest there must be something wrong with the person and their thinking) in order to silence them. So you jump on that bandwagon. Such has it always been on this website.

    Part of the problem is that the British government has never cared since the 1960s about the British as a racial group. They are only too happy to destroy that racial group over a period of time (actually, about a hundred years) and give away the territory to other racial groups who want it as their expansion space, without the consent of the people who were here first. It was pretended to us four or five years ago that the Tories would get inward migration down to the "tens of thousands" per annum, but of course that hasn't happened. We were told we would "Brexit", which would at least close the automatic right of the rest of Europe (and whoever has settled there) coming here, "removing freedom of movement", but that hasn't happened. Our politicians are hell-bent on our own destruction, and our territory pretty much being given away to whoever wants to come from overseas and take a slice.

    In the meantime the genocide of the British people (the people who comprised a distinct racial group up to the 1960s) continues,  and continues, and continues.

    Pre-existing bias to what?

    I mean are you actually insinuating that I'm calling out your racism and dismissing your shit because I'm not white? Are you?

    Christ, what an absolute knuckle-dragging bellend. 

    If it helps, I'm white British. My name is early Medieval in origin. My ancestors have been here for centuries, probably longer than yours. 

    So how about you sit down and shut the fuck up?


  • ScreamapillarScreamapillar ✭✭✭
    "Nick Griffin rightly asked, a few years ago, "how many more are coming here." And the answer is, it's never ending. Slice by slice, it will be taken away".

    Twat quotes Nick Griffin, swears he isn't a racist. Waterfowl quacks, swears it isn't a duck.
  • ScreamapillarScreamapillar ✭✭✭
    edited May 28
    • "What colour are the trees in your World, Colin?"
    I can imagine what colour he wishes they were...
  • YnnecYnnec ✭✭✭
    edited May 28
    2308 said:
     
    "The British" are a nationality, not a racial group. You specifically mention in your post the "replacement" of white northern Europeans because that's what bothers you. 

    Here's the thing: immigrants, whatever their colour or nationality, if they settle and have kids, are basically giving birth to British people. You aren't worried about "British" people, you're worried about white people.

    So stop talking bollocks. You have "racist" written through you like Brighton rock. 

    You don't, of course, disclose your own name, ethnic origins, or skin colour, in attacking me. These details are conveniently hidden behind the "Screamapillar" façade. Funny, that. Why don't you declare your own interest, so we can see if actually you have a pre-existing bias here.

    Pre-existing bias to what?

    I mean are you actually insinuating that I'm calling out your racism and dismissing your shit because I'm not white? Are you?

    Christ, what an absolute knuckle-dragging bellend. 

    If it helps, I'm white British. My name is early Medieval in origin. My ancestors have been here for centuries, probably longer than yours. 

    So how about you sit down and shut the fuck up?


    He said similar nonsense to me, Screams. I'm White British and AncestryDNA says my genetic make-up is 50% Welsh/West Midlands, 47% Scottish/Irish and 3% French. 

    I'm genetically more of a 'Briton' than Colin could ever hope to be.

    I get the inkling he hasn't been exposed to much of a 'life'. Probably still lives with his parents in a padlocked basement absolutely plastered with posters of Griffin, Farrage, Powell, Mosley, Duke, Hitler et al whilst being surrounded by a load of crusty wank-socks.
  • 23082308 ✭✭✭
    2308 said:
     
    "The British" are a nationality, not a racial group. You specifically mention in your post the "replacement" of white northern Europeans because that's what bothers you. 

    Here's the thing: immigrants, whatever their colour or nationality, if they settle and have kids, are basically giving birth to British people. You aren't worried about "British" people, you're worried about white people.

    So stop talking bollocks. You have "racist" written through you like Brighton rock. 

    You don't, of course, disclose your own name, ethnic origins, or skin colour, in attacking me. These details are conveniently hidden behind the "Screamapillar" façade. Funny, that. Why don't you declare your own interest, so we can see if actually you have a pre-existing bias here.

    What I'm "worried about" is, the people who were here first and their descendants having their territory systematically stolen by migrants coming and stealing the space, in a migration process that is extreme, one way, continuous, severe, and there's never any stop to it.

    World population in the 1960s was three billion. It is now nine billion. Absurdly, that's a trebling of the world population in my lifetime. Have a think about that. And a lot of the world is less pleasant to live in than here. So of course people are going to continue to come, to come, to come, and steal the space, and destroy the racial group that was here first in order to seize their lands. Our land is their expansion space. They can come and take a slice each, and there's no end to it. How is that fair?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population#/media/File:World_population_v3.svg

    The vast ongoing migration invasion depends on putting people who have a problem with it down with labels like "racist" (not used merely as a benign description, but used to suggest there must be something wrong with the person and their thinking) in order to silence them. So you jump on that bandwagon. Such has it always been on this website.

    Part of the problem is that the British government has never cared since the 1960s about the British as a racial group. They are only too happy to destroy that racial group over a period of time (actually, about a hundred years) and give away the territory to other racial groups who want it as their expansion space, without the consent of the people who were here first. It was pretended to us four or five years ago that the Tories would get inward migration down to the "tens of thousands" per annum, but of course that hasn't happened. We were told we would "Brexit", which would at least close the automatic right of the rest of Europe (and whoever has settled there) coming here, "removing freedom of movement", but that hasn't happened. Our politicians are hell-bent on our own destruction, and our territory pretty much being given away to whoever wants to come from overseas and take a slice.

    In the meantime the genocide of the British people (the people who comprised a distinct racial group up to the 1960s) continues,  and continues, and continues.

    Pre-existing bias to what?

    I mean are you actually insinuating that I'm calling out your racism and dismissing your shit because I'm not white? Are you?

    Christ, what an absolute knuckle-dragging bellend. 

    If it helps, I'm white British. My name is early Medieval in origin. My ancestors have been here for centuries, probably longer than yours. 

    So how about you sit down and shut the fuck up?


    I have no idea if you're white or black, or yellow, or pink, or have a healthy suntan shade of skin, or something else.  All your profile says about you is, "Not much happening here, yet.", which I expect even you will concede doesn't exactly inform. You choose to present yourself as genderless, colourless, ageless. Unfortunately it's a problem with this format of site, where people snipe from behind badges of anonymity, and don't have the guts to disclose their name, that a lot of us haven't a clue about who anyone else is or their essential characteristics. Everything's hidden away. If you're calling me a racist, when actually I'm a victim, not a racist, it raises curiosity as to your motivations.

    You claim to be psychic, and a mindreader. I don't make that claim.

    You ignored the rest of my post to you. World population is heavily out of control, which generates migration, and the planet is dying. Migration into this country is absurdly out of control, and there are no intelligent limits.

    The label "British" has been stolen along with the territory.


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