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Last Saturday had a hard hilly 3 hour run on the North Downs in Kent, 20+ miles in very warm sunny conditions - drank 3 litres of water in 3 hours and at least another litre afterwards. I believe a problem with too high a water intake is that it can dilute and upset the balance of the body's essential minerals hence the importance of isotonic drinks?
You really only need 600ml an hour.
Too much water will dilute the blood, lower the concentration of sodium and potassium which affect the heart I think.
The condition is called hyponatria
Have today started taking loads of fluid on board - if any one squeezed me I think water will ooze out the pores of my skin!
Off to Runners Need now to get some gels and another big tub of High 5 (anything but tropical flavour).
I will HAVE to put sports drinks in the boxes (got a variety of those from other events - SIS, Lucozade, Gatorade and my own Isostar powder) although I do think water alone IS okay as long as you EAT - but if it's going to be HOT or I start upping the pace ...
Interested in your training - my sister (top endurance cyclist) works on that basis - 3 wks hard, ease off the 4th.
Someone may be interested in how LOW my mileage is per wk - but that may be because I'm not counting the WALKING miles, which can be 15-20 per wk - plus some cycling miles
The hardest thing is to get the balance between increasing yr training and easing off, rest is SO important.
Was worried yesterday (had extreme hectic on-my-feet-all-day Tues plus 5-mile race in the evg) - didn't need to find my pulse - I could hear it amongst the sea rushing noise in my ears! Is that blood pressure going up? Ofcourse sister has BP monitor at home (but lives 280 miles away!)
Did you find out about our WRN team?
re drinking too much fluid, about a year ago a woman died in Torquay from drinking too much water. Her family couldn't stop her, she just drank glass after glass, they put her to bed and she got up in the night and carried on drinking water, and died!!
My first marathon (London 1995), I remembered the advice to take on plenty of fluid, at about 6 miles there was suddenly a quiet moment (no crowds etc) and all I could hear was the sloshing of fluid in my stomach, only took a drink every 3 miles thereafter. So now take one cup every 3 miles.
I have tried it and it works! drink as much on the day as we like but be carefull the day before. Try a small pinch of salt in your drinks or even dioralyte (mineral repacement from the chemist). Tie a gel to your bottle and what do you have? a bonb ready to go off! it will work!!
I HOPE!!!!!
Less than 48 hrs to go!, so good luck everyone for saturday & see you all there!
WRN - The vests arrived but no word on the Team - I just assume the 4 of us are still going to be there ...
Tues evg (at Tree Tops 5 miler) I rcvd message from the 2 ladies in FalmouthRR - I could "guest" in their Team!! Would have been VERY happy to do so (as Cwall ladies & I've lived in Falmouth) in preference to WRN - but too late. Just think - we could've been in serious competition!
What was the woman doing in Torquay - trying to be healthy? or was she just mad
Have suffered from similar ailments but mainly diet/stress-related. Try and give a lot of care and attention to this stage of preparation - high carbs, low bulk and fibre (have spent most of my lunch hour picking out and discarding bits of sweetcorn, chick peas and kidney beans from a rice and pasta salad).
I've tried all the drinks you mentioned - SIS seems quite good - am not a fan of gatorade. I use High 5 a lot especially when carb loading over the last couple of days. Didn't think I'd get to grips with eating on the run but did the 3 peaks challenge and ate loads and also on the 3 Forts marathon (it's the only race where I've put on weight!).
I enjoy the regime of 3 hard weeks followed by an easier week (a lot of my Club colleagues very rarely stray from their established weekly patterns). On Saturday it's back to the grindstone and another 3 hard weeks - I suspect that Sunday will be a rest day!
Probably been mentioned before but does Immodium help prevent/alleviate these types of stomach cramps?
I don't "carbo load" specifically - I eat like that most of the time! I do tend to eat a few "salty" things a day or two before - like olives, marmite - and a few extra dried apricots, fig bars
Ran my best Discovery (1999) on a large bowl of pasta (plain + just bit of olive oil) at 4pm previous day and a few honey sandwhiches in the evg. On the day - 3 shredded wheat + banana at 6.30am. Then 500ml + 330ml + 330ml Boots isotonic at spaced intervals round the course and a Boots energy bar at 16 miles ... my run was one of the most evenly paced (I did quite detailed stats from the 5-mile splits) and passed 12 people after the M point, felt great at the finish
MUZZA - Thanks - I'm trying to get a balance here between conflicting advice, my own experience and good old common sense - any more input?
I also don't consciously drink extra fluids until the evening before - not loads - just enough to know I'm fully hydrated
The woman was actually in Torquay on her holidays!! And she wasn't mad at all, just suddenly started this peculiar behaviour and in a few hours was dead.
Dear All
Have just checked the weather forecast for Saturday at Princetown:-
Max 18 Min 12
Wind 10 mph (S)
sun Index 4
probably be completely different but that sounds OK, doesn't it.
Glad you got your vest Paskha, another flipping £12.50 though!! Re the WRN team, still don't know who the 4th one is.
Am going to ring Jen tonight, I think she will run a blinder on Sat.
I think Dunnarunner has dunnarunner today!!
Are you by any chance doing the Potteries?
See you there!
For me, over the last 48 hours before a race carbs in low bulk include pitta breads (white), bagels (plain), rice (white) or couscous (plain)in place of pasta (I add to the boiling water a spoonfull of Marmite instead of salt), bananas mashed with honey, thin sliced malt loaf (no butter - in fact no dairy produce of any description), large raisins, snack sized Mars Bars, kiwi fruits, plenty of energy drinks
Low fibre means no cereals or wholemeal breads, no dried apricots, potatoes must be peeled (no skins), no fibrous fruits or vegetables (no sweet corn, kidney beans, chick peas or tomatoes), no nuts or seeds.
Nothing spicy or peppery - the plainer the better - everything very easily digestible. Keep portions small (about the size of a tennis ball) and frequent.
I try and have a run/walk/shuffle/jog for 15 minutes or so two to three hours before a marathon, helps to stimulate the system, reduce anxiety etc.
I emailed Pauline when I received the vest and she asked me to send £12.50. Can you email her to find out, if so I can get a refund or another vest. I can't email her from work, I'm awfully busy today as you can tell!!
Ask her who Number 4 is please.
How can you remeber what you ate in 1999, I can't remember what I ate yesterday do you record all your pre race food?
Not in my COD (Concise Oxford)
It was so unusual - I had a lift up from Pz at 5pm - I'd had to take Joe to his Dad's etc - I just hadn't planned - cooking a plate of pasta was all I could think of - then grabbed some food and stuffed it into my bag - staying in the bunkhouse, I thought I'd go buy a meal, but didn't.
I just remember it all so clearly - dont usually write all that down
WRN - I'll phone Pauline later ...
Yes will be at Potteries, also Blackpool the following week. Have done Potteries 3 times before (love it, great support on the course, everybody calls you 'duck'), can be hot and of course it's hilly.
Have never done Blackpool before, I believe it's awful but if not windy can be a PB course, not that I'm chasing PB's at the moment. Bit of drive for me, so this may be the one and only time I do Blackpool.
I put a message on earlier today to you re diet, would appreciate your response if poss.
Normal breakfast-bowl of cereal. Not much else, maybe a banana or two nearer the start. I'll drink sports drink, I've used various over the years. Current favourite is SIS and I started using their gels last year with spectacular results.
Maybe a banana during a race if I'm offered one.
Afterwards I drink SIS rego and then more carbo drink with some glutamine dissolved in it.
That's about it really.
I'm doing Blackpool as well. Manchester is close enough to drive to on the day (early start mind you) if you'd like to consider stopping here first?
See you
Tastes vary don't they.
In a 24 hour race I really haven't got the feeding completly right but my thinking is towards those small pots of rice pud and litres of sports drink and maybe the odd sandwich or bit of cake.
I think I got through 11 litres ofvarious types of SIS last time!! And 6 cans of Red Bull
I know someone who regularly uses imodium before a 24 hour race but he's had a few problems and halved the dose I think.
As for the race - try thinking "sherpa" (though my present physique is anything but - better suited to "pachyderm" at the moment) picture trotting up the mountain with a massive rucksack then when you get to Dartmoor, it won't be quite so steep - and you won't have to carry anything!
Anyone else out there play these mind games?
Hypo = under / below normal
Natriuresis = excretion of sodium
Sorry about this - I needed to know what the word meant